Posted on Oct 14, 2014
Army tries to boost number of minority officers. Your thoughts?
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http://www.armytimes.com/article/20141013/NEWS/310130057/Army-tries-boost-number-minority-officers
Not sure what happened to promoting people based on skills, ERB/ORB, competence and basic soldiering. Coupled with correct 600-3 and 350-1 training and career path guidance seem like a true promotion delineation line.
Not sure what happened to promoting people based on skills, ERB/ORB, competence and basic soldiering. Coupled with correct 600-3 and 350-1 training and career path guidance seem like a true promotion delineation line.
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AS LONG AS this is a recruiting & awareness effort to get more people into the pipeline and doesn't devolve into a quota system, or multiple standards, great - no issues.
We need more great officers of whatever race. If there is a bias (intentional or unintentional) is the recruiting pipeline that makes qualified candidates (minority or otherwise) think that they "shouldn't" seriously consider the military, we should attempt to address that. I read the article as outlining nothing more than stepping up recruiting efforts in demographics that are statistically underrepresented.
We need more great officers of whatever race. If there is a bias (intentional or unintentional) is the recruiting pipeline that makes qualified candidates (minority or otherwise) think that they "shouldn't" seriously consider the military, we should attempt to address that. I read the article as outlining nothing more than stepping up recruiting efforts in demographics that are statistically underrepresented.
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When I was a recruiter, we had assigned areas. We had goals we had to meet to avoid getting the dreaded counseling; certain areas and schools were known to produce very little, quality candidates. Quality is a loose term based on criminal history, scholastic aptitude, medical dis-qualifiers etc. All can be found in AR 701-210 and AR 40-501 if needed. If you use statistical data, which I am sure will not be readily or conventionally available' recruitment numbers will be indicative of where to recruit the different levels for the military. where the Tier A to Tier C candidates, high to low ASVAB Scores, Prior Service and inter-service transfers are at. Recruiting stations target these areas because they produce the numbers needed. In areas that are "statistically underrepresented" there is a reason recruiting efforts are not "surged" into these areas. They do not produce the numbers needed in simple terms.
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Here's an idea. The Army could utilize something known as the "veil of ignorance" in which the age, gender, and other facts about the officer to be promoted are not known. They could literally say, "We have candidate 1 who has these qualifications, candidate 2 who has these" and so forth. If you don't know their names, you won't know these demographic specific things about them. Then you can promote them only on their qualifications.
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SPC James Mcneil
To be honest, I'm not interested in getting rid of complaints. Someone will always believe that the other person is less qualified.
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PO1 Ron Clark
Quotas for anything most times are started because something supposed to act this way and it for other reason act another. Not a fan of promotions based quotas of race, neither am I a fan of not getting promoted because of politics. Qualifications says it all, the right to educate yourself within your organization through schools, classes etc. Now if I am denied attending school/classes etc based on my race then therein lies the problem, and it has happened before, when there was no system of checks and balances within the promotion/awards programs within each organization.
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Not a fan of race-based anything. With that said, my wife is from the Philippines, so I tell all the kids to check "pacific islander" vs "white" just in case.
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