Posted on Oct 25, 2014
Sex and UCMJ. What are your translation/thoughts about this subject, gents/gals?
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I have always thought this was hilarious. Just my opinion. What are your translation/Thoughts about this subject gents/gals?
“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
“(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”
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One day...hopefully soon...the UCMJ will get out of the dark ages. We need to stop pampering GO's/senior officers by protecting them and allowing them to retire quietly for the very offenses we reduce in rank to E-1, BCD/Dishonorable and fine enlisted personnel. We need to quit letting local commands decide whether to prosecute a rape claim. Trust me, you take away the authority to investigate, interview and prosecute rape charges you will see a huge number of these sexual predators suddenly decide to retire - rather quickly. The ability of these GO's to intimidate subordinates is part of the issue when it comes to dealing with sexual predators. There is a sense of entitlement that seems to creep up on senior leadership which really does not even come close to the true definition of leaders. Why is it we don't see these sexual predators in our midst? Are we stupid?
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1SG Clifford Barnes
Agree absolutely to much politics involved and they should be punished like all soldiers no favoritism
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CPO Jeffrey Bohemier
I couldn’t agree more. Nothing made me angrier in the military than seeing Officers being given a free pass while enlisted were kicked out for lessor offenses. During all the sexual harassment stuff that was going on during the late 90’s, early 2000’s, the vast majority of those complaints were against officers and senior enlisted. And yet, the enlisted were the ones that were forced to sit through hours and hours of sexual harassment training/education with barely any officers to be found throughout any of that training. That was usually the case. Officers rarely, if ever showed up for the training that applied far more towards them than that of the audience that normally ended up getting the training. That’s why these types of issues rarely ever get fixed by training. You need to be training the correct audience so the message actually gets received.
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Back when I was a PO1 I was talking with a female LT (she's a CDR now) and she remarked, regarding that UCMJ Article "90% of the people in the military are violating it - and you have to feel sorry for the other 10%!" I heartily agreed.
That said, I believe that one got changed with the repeal of DADT to add "forcible" to it. Finally enacting some version of the recommendations of the Institute for Military Justice back in 2001 - although they recommending combining several Articles to ban non-consensual sexual activity.
That said, I believe that one got changed with the repeal of DADT to add "forcible" to it. Finally enacting some version of the recommendations of the Institute for Military Justice back in 2001 - although they recommending combining several Articles to ban non-consensual sexual activity.
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I think it is funnier that it HAS to say with and animal. I wonder who the person that caused this to be required in that is.
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Probably not, but if that person is still around, I bet they would never admit to it.
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My understanding is the Navy used to keep goats in the Chief Petty Officer's Mess (aka 'The Goat Locker') . . . Honestly, Chief, all I remember was some story about drunken sailors . . . and a goat on a boat (well, in this case a submarine).
What is the real story about this strange connection between sailors, chiefs, and goats?
http://www.ussarcherfish.com/afishpic/goat.htm
Warmest Regards, Sandy
CMDCM Gene Treants PO1 (Join to see)
My understanding is the Navy used to keep goats in the Chief Petty Officer's Mess (aka 'The Goat Locker') . . . Honestly, Chief, all I remember was some story about drunken sailors . . . and a goat on a boat (well, in this case a submarine).
What is the real story about this strange connection between sailors, chiefs, and goats?
http://www.ussarcherfish.com/afishpic/goat.htm
Warmest Regards, Sandy
CMDCM Gene Treants PO1 (Join to see)
This is the true story of the Famous Goatand his brief tour of duty on ARCHERFISH........andyou thought they only dreamed stuff like this up in Hollywood!
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In the 1950s there was a Soldier stationed in Germany who court-martialed for violating a chicken. The infamous "chicken case".
CMDCM Gene Treants
1LT Sandy Annala. Goat Locker Entertainment on liberty took many forms, mostly depending on the coast and opportunity. One incident which became tradition was at a Navy-Army football game. In early sailing years, livestock would travel on ships, providing the crew the fresh milk, meats, and eggs. as well as serving as ships mascots. One pet, a goat named El Cid (meaning Chief) was the mascot aboard the USS New York. When its crew attended the fourth Navy-Army football game in 1893, they took El Cid to the game, which resulted in the West Pointers losing. El Cid (The Chief) was offered shore duty at Annapolis and became the Navy's mascot. This is believed to be the source of the old Navy term, Goat Locker.
This is from "The Goat Locker" which can be found at: goatlocker.org.
When in doubt, you can always ask a Navy Chief!
This is from "The Goat Locker" which can be found at: goatlocker.org.
When in doubt, you can always ask a Navy Chief!
Aiguillette - Is of French origin and goes back to the use of horses in battle. The Generals Aide carried a loop of cord to tie up the Generals horse when he dismounted. As a practical approach the aides would loop the cord around the buttoned down flap on the shoulder of their shirt. Modern days worn by Aides to Flag officers and Boot Camp Company Commanders.
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