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Written to fraternal organizations, but could definitely apply towards the biggest fraternity of them all: The military!
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Great little article. I think in the military both rank and longevity must be respected. But I offer this perspective, think of the E9 positions in the military. While they are not the highest ranks they do garner respect. As an officer, even though I outrank a CSM/SgtMaj/MCPO/CMSgt I extend respect to those who hold this unique rank in the military. Why? Because they have earned it and they have done so through time and experience.
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CMSgt James Nolan
SSgt Rusty Baker That is a hugely inaccurate, wildly speculative comment. I can only imagine that you had truly intellectual conversations about what exactly was entailed by a CMSgt in the actual earning of that rank, with at most one CMSgt. I can see where watching someone put in 20-30 years of hard work, studying, volunteering, mentoring, deploying, counseling, working and putting up with all things military, such as but not limited to, formations, deployments, personnel issues, budget issues, command issues, deployment issues, and all of the rest of the myriad of things that get thrown in the face of SNCOs at the last minute by both sides of the rank structure....might get misconstrued as butt kissing! I am sure that watching someone complete all the PME, and skills testing, compete for every stripe, win Boards etc must have been seen as simply total ass kissing. I can also see how you could think that there is No way for anyone to promote to the rank of CMSgt without simply kissing butt.
I have yet to meet a E-9 of any branch who got their stripes solely based on butt kissing. I have met some, that were Huge Studs that commanded respect immediately, and I have met some that carried the rank, but not necessarily the stature, however those E-9s demonstrated capability, immediately and set the perception aside.
The odds of anyone making E-9 in any service are ridiculously small. Those that do, have navigated a career full of obstacles and competed, survived and come out on top.
Kudos to them. They have earned that.
I have yet to meet a E-9 of any branch who got their stripes solely based on butt kissing. I have met some, that were Huge Studs that commanded respect immediately, and I have met some that carried the rank, but not necessarily the stature, however those E-9s demonstrated capability, immediately and set the perception aside.
The odds of anyone making E-9 in any service are ridiculously small. Those that do, have navigated a career full of obstacles and competed, survived and come out on top.
Kudos to them. They have earned that.
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CMSgt James Nolan
SSgt Rusty Baker There will always be politics, no doubt. Nature of humanity. The key is that the pyramid narrows immeasurably at the top, and so few make it there, and such scrutiny is put on the positions. That was my point to you. Even if someone were "politicking", for them to get to that level, there was also a large amount of skill and effort.
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Generally speaking, I respect everyone at first glance. But once I have the feeling that the person is being blatantly disrespectful towards me, no mater who you are, the gloves are coming off.
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This is how I perceive many young people. They feel like they are equal to elders. They think their authority is a rite of passage instead of earned, they are often lazy, and don't realize that the bald guy at the top of the corporation is BOSS. I forgot, discomfort causes them to chime about the litany of tribulations they are going through.
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