Posted on May 3, 2018
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Good Grief- 1. SF is Green Berets- selection is patterned after British SAS- Mad Mike came up with it- and it is a bear used to have a 30% survival rate. Grueling is an understatement- yet brawn often quits, it's guts that normally wins it. Rangers are a tough course, cooperate and graduate- guts win there too, selection rate is normally under 40-50%. 2. Both train constantly on small unit tactics. 3. Rangers normally 11 series MOS, SF is 18 series MOS. 4. SF cross-trains more than Rangers (expected to know 2 duty positions as an expert. Plus SF has to acquire a 2nd language- Rangers let's God slot them out- that way you don't have to speak anything but English.
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Al Bay
Al Bay
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Hmm, interesting. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr
SGT Mark Saint Cyr
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In my day, folks would go Airborne, then Ranger OR SF.
Sometimes all 3, and if so would usually go Airborne->Ranger->SF.
Ranger tends to be more combative. "Point towards Enemy" kind of folks.
SF may have more "skull sweat" missions, training insurgents for example, and that requirement for multiple MOSs, at least 2, with Infantry of some kind is usually one.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
SMSgt Thor Merich
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Good answer Sergeant Major. I would only add that SF tends to smarter than Rangers. Only in that they need to be proficient in at least two MOS’s and usually are multi lingual also. They use their brains as much as their brawn.
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SGT Retired
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SMSgt Thor Merich - I think multi lingual is a stretch. If I recall, SF DLPT standards are 1/1. I can’t remember if an OPI was mandatory. Regardless, a 1/1 means you will still need a terp. Additionally, the DLI standard on the DLPT to work as a 35P (Cryptologic Linguist) is 2/2/1+. While passably fluent..still need a terp.

Anyway, Rangers are the premier light infantry force for the Army. They can do all sorts of neat stuff like ambushes, raids, airfield seizures, etc...premier light infantry stuff. SF, while fully capable as a direct assault force if necessary, is primarily an asymmetrical, or unconventional, fighting force. They also serve as a force multiplier. They insert small ODAs to whatever area to work with, train, build and develop local forces.

I met some borderline genius Rangers, and some borderline illiterate SF. It’s like that in any career field. What I did find particularly unique about SF in my time though, if I had to describe all SF members, is it would be that they were all incredibly good at getting incredibly good at things in an incredibly short amount of time. It didn’t really matter what. You could give an ODA An FM about knitting, toss them a ball of yarn, and by morning, you’ll at least have a new pair of mittens and a easy, 10-step, “how to knit mittens” SOP for anyone to follow. That can’t be said about any career field.

Of course, for the sake of brevity, this an oversimplified description of the difference between the groups. I’m sure there will be more unique perspectives in the responses to follow.
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Al Bay
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Ah okay. I didn't know SF/Green Berets were the same thing, lol. But it makes sense.
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr
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Edited 6 y ago
If my memory serves, Airborne are first step, Rangers 2nd, and SF/Green Berets are last and are the same thing. But there's always a General somewhere who loves to change things.

Be aware, it could change 3 or 4 times, before you get into it.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr Should “Asymmetrical Warfare Service” be included in ”Select /preferred” organizations?

I understand some ‘long tab selection’ troops wind up in Asymmetrical Warfare units.
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr
SGT Mark Saint Cyr
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I am not familiar enough with AWGs to comment. They are a recent development.

But my best guess, is based on AWG missions, it does not surprise me that long tabbers would be so assigned. My original response was based grading each level between the tabbers, not where they would be utilized.
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