Posted on Jan 10, 2015
Will your medical condition prevent you from gun ownership?
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It has been in the news a lot lately, and it is a very important topic, across multiple social media sites. It sparks heated discussion on both sides of the fence. Those for and against gun control. I wanted to 'discuss' a certain few conditions that may relinquish your ability to own guns, even though you have shown for 20 years you can operate a gun responsibly.
From what I can gleam from various articles online, and reading various executive orders, that there are is evidence of a blue - print of a plan to disarm any combat veteran...and this includes those with PTSD, Anxiety among other certain medical diagnosis' that will exclude you from legal gun ownership. If the government deems your military service as having experienced 'histoey of violence', this alone could preclude you from gun ownership.
Who will police the police?
I understand now why so many people want to get off the grid.
linking to an article:
http://offgridsurvival.com/guncontrol-mentalhealth/
From what I can gleam from various articles online, and reading various executive orders, that there are is evidence of a blue - print of a plan to disarm any combat veteran...and this includes those with PTSD, Anxiety among other certain medical diagnosis' that will exclude you from legal gun ownership. If the government deems your military service as having experienced 'histoey of violence', this alone could preclude you from gun ownership.
Who will police the police?
I understand now why so many people want to get off the grid.
linking to an article:
http://offgridsurvival.com/guncontrol-mentalhealth/
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SSG(P) (Join to see) excellent topic to pose. This line is a very difficult one to draw. Surely we agree SOME veterans have debilitating mental illnesses to the point where they should not be armed. Yet the specter of that prohibition being extended to ALL veterans with combat experience is a very frightening one.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
With that 1000 yard stare MSgt (Join to see) I'll be sure to throw your name in the hat when they come knocking....lol. Seen any combat? Me: seen a little on TV...
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MSG Mitch Dowler
Obama knows the combat Vets and Veterans in general will continue to defend the nation they love and the Constitution even after military service. This poses a threat to his agenda so they must be disarmed.
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MSG Robert Mills
Exactly umm none of your business there guy is not recieved as well as a lot of responses, they are looking for signs of paranoia I imagine lol, but if you think for one second there isnt someone out there that is out to get ya your wrong as two boys fucking in a all girls school lol..
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SSG(P) (Join to see), I'm a gun rights guy, no doubt, but when it comes to mental illness, I think a line has to be drawn. I don't know where that line lies, but I know it must be drawn - by, or at least with the help of, mental health professionals. How many times have we heard that nut-job so-and-so killed a bunch of people. And people knew the person was "not right," but he slipped through the cracks and got his hands on a gun.
A second part of this discussion is the fact that just because guns might not be readily available (for sale, for example) to mentally ill folks, that doesn't mean that those folks can't get their hands on a gun some other way. Still, I think it makes good sense to limit sales to mentally ill people. That's just common sense, right? The question is the definition of mentally ill and who makes the decision.
The blogger at offgridsurvival.com makes some good points. If he's got his facts right, it's cause for concern.
A second part of this discussion is the fact that just because guns might not be readily available (for sale, for example) to mentally ill folks, that doesn't mean that those folks can't get their hands on a gun some other way. Still, I think it makes good sense to limit sales to mentally ill people. That's just common sense, right? The question is the definition of mentally ill and who makes the decision.
The blogger at offgridsurvival.com makes some good points. If he's got his facts right, it's cause for concern.
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SGM (Join to see)
The examples referred to in the blog post linked by SSG(P) (Join to see), in at least one of the cases (David Lewis) had the confiscation overturned by a NY State Supreme Court justice within a week. So at least it was clear the NY State Police erred in how they interpreted and enforced the mental health provisions of NY's SAFE Act. It's good to know a sane judge inserted some reasonableness back into the process.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mental-illness-gun-rights-and-medical-privacy/
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mental-illness-gun-rights-and-medical-privacy/
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MSG Mitch Dowler
No line should ever be drawn by a government bureaucrat or a dictatorial executive order. The Constitution guarantees that God-given Civil rights can only be removed by due process which should be by a jury of our peers.
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MSG Mitch Dowler
Never sacrifice liberty for security. The gravely mental ill are few and the mass shootings resulting from them are less of a threat than a lightening strike. Our Veterans are denied the ability to seek treatment because treatment is not worth the sacrifice of liberty.
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MSG Robert Mills
I doubt the courts will rule a mass judgement on a line like that and its not enforceable and against at least two ammendments of the U.S. Constitution, and down right insane to think that will change even if they did pass a law, they could never stop gun ownership, or people from obtaining one no matter what law they pass, it would be some token BS they would enforce when they think they could get away with it thats about it.
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I normally think that most stories around this these kinds of topics are exaggerated, but sadly some recent cases show that they are not. Below is a story about a Navy veteran and police officer who had his guns taken away in New York because he checked himself into a hospital with insomnia. All records showed that he was not a threat to himself or anyone else, at least according to the article.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/02/military-vet-sought-treatment-for-insomnia-days-later-ny-police-officers-were-knocking-on-his-door-lawsuit/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/02/military-vet-sought-treatment-for-insomnia-days-later-ny-police-officers-were-knocking-on-his-door-lawsuit/
Military Vet Sought Treatment for ‘Insomnia’ — Days Later, NY Police Officers Were Knocking on...
U.S. Navy veteran and retired police officer Donald Montgomery is suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other officials after his firearms were reportedly confiscated by police after he sought treatment for insomnia. It all started after Montgomery visited his primary care physician on May 6...
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
It's becoming a lot more prevalent. And honestly a license revocation should of been considered with revocations of gun rights. I have seen what insomnia can do to me personally, don't give me a gun when I am that tired, funny thing is, it was in Ranger School when I had a weapon. I did see a SFC lose a weapon while that tired. So, pot smokers should lose their right as well...because of their forgetfulness.
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CPO Jon Campbell
There is a huge disconnect between mental health, lawmakers, and police on this issue. No one wants a mentally unstable person to have a gun, but there needs to be an exigent circumstances rule that allows police to temporarily seize weapons coupled with a judicial review that determines what will happen to the weapons. In no case should the police be allowed to keep such weapons. By removing the ability of the police to keep seized weapons in mental persons cases, it removes the temptation to act arbitrarily. By requiring a judicial review, it provides protection of the person's property and allows for the return of weapons or the dispositon of the weapons in a manner in which the owner has some say. When circumstances dictate that a person can no longer safely own a weapon, and the weapon can't be turned over to a family member or friend, then there should be a method to compensate the person for their property.
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PV2 Violet Case
Even with all I have dealt with in my lifetime and even with a suicide attempt on myself. I have so many people that would come forward and tell you that I would give my life for them any day of the week or that they would trust me with their lives. But then I have enough common sense if have not had any sleep for awhile I do not get out my gun either. IF a person has no common sense, no control and is irresponsible then by all means the weapon should be gone. But this man from what I have read or understand did nothing but seek a bit of help and was a law abiding citizen with training. He should sue and win that case hands down. As I had said there are many other weapons besides just guns if a person wanted. I have an x husband who killed his wife by running over her twice with his truck and then hitting her into a light pole which ripped her body in half and was found guilty and got a fine and a bit of treatment like 11 mos. No jail or prison and is working for some higher up people that state. And still has his drivers license. Sure trust him with a license and driving again, but not the man who was in the military and a police officer take his weapon, what is messed up with that picture people.
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