Posted on Nov 11, 2018
How similar is religion and military service indoctrination belief?
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I remember going to church with that little green bootcamp bible for the first time in bootcamp on Sunday!
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I do nor see that anyone is indoctrinated in the military. You are instructed in the military in ways to take the fight to the enemy and survive. These lessons are repeated until they are automatic. This is not brainwashing, it is staying alive to continue the figth. Everyone has different religious beliefs and the strength of these beliefs varies from individual to individual.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
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Indoctrination is defined in bootcamp policy manuals
recruit training - Marines.mil
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/MCO%201510.32F.pdf
Dec 20, 2012 - Marine Corps Recruit Depots (MCRDs) Parris Island and San Diego conduct recruit training in order to transform recruits into basic Marines through a thorough indoctrination in our history, customs, and traditions and by imbuing them with the mental, moral, and physical foundation necessary for successful service to
Indoctrination is defined in bootcamp policy manuals
recruit training - Marines.mil
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/MCO%201510.32F.pdf
Dec 20, 2012 - Marine Corps Recruit Depots (MCRDs) Parris Island and San Diego conduct recruit training in order to transform recruits into basic Marines through a thorough indoctrination in our history, customs, and traditions and by imbuing them with the mental, moral, and physical foundation necessary for successful service to
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PO3 Aaron Hassay - I was not forced to join the military, were you? The training is to keep you alive, and I am glad that the training did keep me alive. It was our choice to enlist, the same way that it is your choice to attend a church service.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
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For the most part I found out, During Vietnam, Marines
and Navy and Air Force, went into recruiters office, and enlisted voluntarily, unlike Army, who were forced conscripted drafted. Maybe you can correct me?
Yes I believe all these training's indoctrination's etc are meant in general to keep you safe from harm, so you can take the fight on. With that said, it is the execution of leadership to actually create a healthy environment in that group for to stay alive and stay healthy, expecially after the assignment is completed
I was not forced into service. I enlisted based on recruiting. I gave my all for what it was worth. I was meritoriously advanced in bootcamp. I wanted to enlist as a Marine but was talked out of it
How was I to know the following reports existed about a very specific Navy Enlistment I signed? No one ever informed me Historically the Navy has no experience such an enlistment, unlike the Army.
1983 September
CNA Center Naval Analyses
Deborah Clay-Mendez
Alternative Accession Policies:: A TOTAL FORCE PERSPECTIVE
"no previous experience" "there is some doubt" about the enlistment
“Sea and Air Mariners are non-prior service recruits who take the Recruit Training Course (Bootcamp)"
How was I to know this report was created about the ships I would serve on? No one informed me.
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
“Total Force Policy”
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
1976 Annual Defense Department Report
Another more important initiative is our plan to man some of our active surface combatants at 80% of active manning, relying on selected reserve personnel to fill the remaining billets upon mobilization.”
"Admittingly, there are some potential problems involved in the 80/20 concept"
I served to the best my ability. I was young. I did not know I was hurting myself at times on assignment. Well I felt the pain. but I did not know it was going to be a long term medical issue. I was unaware of such things.
Sgt,
For the most part I found out, During Vietnam, Marines
and Navy and Air Force, went into recruiters office, and enlisted voluntarily, unlike Army, who were forced conscripted drafted. Maybe you can correct me?
Yes I believe all these training's indoctrination's etc are meant in general to keep you safe from harm, so you can take the fight on. With that said, it is the execution of leadership to actually create a healthy environment in that group for to stay alive and stay healthy, expecially after the assignment is completed
I was not forced into service. I enlisted based on recruiting. I gave my all for what it was worth. I was meritoriously advanced in bootcamp. I wanted to enlist as a Marine but was talked out of it
How was I to know the following reports existed about a very specific Navy Enlistment I signed? No one ever informed me Historically the Navy has no experience such an enlistment, unlike the Army.
1983 September
CNA Center Naval Analyses
Deborah Clay-Mendez
Alternative Accession Policies:: A TOTAL FORCE PERSPECTIVE
"no previous experience" "there is some doubt" about the enlistment
“Sea and Air Mariners are non-prior service recruits who take the Recruit Training Course (Bootcamp)"
How was I to know this report was created about the ships I would serve on? No one informed me.
1975 DOD Annual Report to Secretary Defense Reserve Forces
“Total Force Policy”
B. Test manning active Navy Destroyers with a mix of 80 percent active personnel and 20 percent reservists in comparison with 100% active manned ships.”
1976 Annual Defense Department Report
Another more important initiative is our plan to man some of our active surface combatants at 80% of active manning, relying on selected reserve personnel to fill the remaining billets upon mobilization.”
"Admittingly, there are some potential problems involved in the 80/20 concept"
I served to the best my ability. I was young. I did not know I was hurting myself at times on assignment. Well I felt the pain. but I did not know it was going to be a long term medical issue. I was unaware of such things.
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1. Better get a dictionary and review your terminology. 2. No one ever forced you to go to church, unless you were trying to dodge details and that is a weak excuse, for not having a firm faith in your beliefs. I sat thu more Chaplain's outside my faith than those of my faith. Didn't hurt me, and didn't cause me to question my faith.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3442261/
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Amy M. Burdette
Department of Sociology Mississippi State University
Glen H. Elder
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Janel Benson
Departments of Sociology and Anthropology Colgate University
Victor Wang
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Terrance Hill
Department of Sociology University of Miami
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Abstract
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), we used a person-oriented analysis to categorize young men according to patterns of adolescent religious involvement. Youth indentified as “highly religious evangelical” are more likely to enlist in the military compared to their “highly religious non-evangelical” and “non-religious” counterparts; however, these findings hold only for those young men without college experience. These findings are discussed along with study limitations and promising directions for future research.
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history (e.g., the Christian crusades from 1095–1291), scholars have seldom explored the association between individual religiosity and military enlistment.
I find Chaplains are great. I never used church to skirt duty. Some may find Faith in God is great when you military service is great. On the other hand when things go wrong in major ways in your unit, then that faith will be tested.
I find the emotions evoked in religion are the similar as when in military service orders unity.
The link does talk of historical connections between religious movement and military service.
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Amy M. Burdette
Department of Sociology Mississippi State University
Glen H. Elder
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Janel Benson
Departments of Sociology and Anthropology Colgate University
Victor Wang
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Terrance Hill
Department of Sociology University of Miami
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer
Go to:
Abstract
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), we used a person-oriented analysis to categorize young men according to patterns of adolescent religious involvement. Youth indentified as “highly religious evangelical” are more likely to enlist in the military compared to their “highly religious non-evangelical” and “non-religious” counterparts; however, these findings hold only for those young men without college experience. These findings are discussed along with study limitations and promising directions for future research.
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history (e.g., the Christian crusades from 1095–1291), scholars have seldom explored the association between individual religiosity and military enlistment.
I find Chaplains are great. I never used church to skirt duty. Some may find Faith in God is great when you military service is great. On the other hand when things go wrong in major ways in your unit, then that faith will be tested.
I find the emotions evoked in religion are the similar as when in military service orders unity.
The link does talk of historical connections between religious movement and military service.
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health ...
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SGM Bill Frazer
Very nice= lots of words which appears to say that you are not religious then don't join. Maybe it's because almost every protestant religion teaches about being a good "Shepard's" or my "brother's keeper"- still not indoctrination by the military nor the religions in my mind.
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I was informed when I was very young, when I was older, I would need to decide if I believe as I was informed, or not. As I got older and started reading for myself about differednt religions and political systems, I found all religions to be about works. Good works vs bad works. Except Christianity.
Not the dogma of so called Christianity. But, the words of the Word made flesh. I found myself wanting to be closer to G-d the Father through prayer and trying to be thankful for all I was given. As King Solomon said, "All things are vanity except doing the will of G-d in your life.
My military service was more like my fathers house. Keep your pie hole shut and follow your orders. Not indoctrination.
The Word made flesh never stated I had to believe in him and follow his orders. But, the United States Marine Corp made it very clear lawful orders would be followed. Kind of different.
Thanks for asking PO3.
Not the dogma of so called Christianity. But, the words of the Word made flesh. I found myself wanting to be closer to G-d the Father through prayer and trying to be thankful for all I was given. As King Solomon said, "All things are vanity except doing the will of G-d in your life.
My military service was more like my fathers house. Keep your pie hole shut and follow your orders. Not indoctrination.
The Word made flesh never stated I had to believe in him and follow his orders. But, the United States Marine Corp made it very clear lawful orders would be followed. Kind of different.
Thanks for asking PO3.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Thanks for Discussing Cpl.
Here is an interesting link.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3442261/
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Amy M. Burdette
Department of Sociology Mississippi State University
Glen H. Elder
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Janel Benson
Departments of Sociology and Anthropology Colgate University
Victor Wang
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Terrance Hill
Department of Sociology University of Miami
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer
Go to:
Abstract
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), we used a person-oriented analysis to categorize young men according to patterns of adolescent religious involvement. Youth indentified as “highly religious evangelical” are more likely to enlist in the military compared to their “highly religious non-evangelical” and “non-religious” counterparts; however, these findings hold only for those young men without college experience. These findings are discussed along with study limitations and promising directions for future research.
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history (e.g., the Christian crusades from 1095–1291), scholars have seldom explored the association between individual religiosity and military enlistment.
I find Chaplains are great. I never used church to skirt duty. Some may find Faith in God is great when you military service is great. On the other hand when things go wrong in major ways in your unit, then that faith will be tested.
I find the emotions evoked in religion are the similar as when in military service orders unity.
The link does talk of historical connections between religious movement and military service.
Here is an interesting link.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3442261/
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Amy M. Burdette
Department of Sociology Mississippi State University
Glen H. Elder
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Janel Benson
Departments of Sociology and Anthropology Colgate University
Victor Wang
Carolina Population Center University of North Carolina
Terrance Hill
Department of Sociology University of Miami
Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer
Go to:
Abstract
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), we used a person-oriented analysis to categorize young men according to patterns of adolescent religious involvement. Youth indentified as “highly religious evangelical” are more likely to enlist in the military compared to their “highly religious non-evangelical” and “non-religious” counterparts; however, these findings hold only for those young men without college experience. These findings are discussed along with study limitations and promising directions for future research.
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history (e.g., the Christian crusades from 1095–1291), scholars have seldom explored the association between individual religiosity and military enlistment.
I find Chaplains are great. I never used church to skirt duty. Some may find Faith in God is great when you military service is great. On the other hand when things go wrong in major ways in your unit, then that faith will be tested.
I find the emotions evoked in religion are the similar as when in military service orders unity.
The link does talk of historical connections between religious movement and military service.
Serving God and Country? Religious Involvement and Military Service among Young Adult Men
Despite important connections between religion and military action throughout world history, scholars have seldom explored the association between religiosity and military enlistment. Using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health ...
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