Posted on Jan 19, 2015
IDT "Inactive" duty Training INACTIVE?! is it a inapropriate misleading term used to describe what is really going on?
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Basically the discussion is in the end to help the United States through Congress and USCode and DOD and Department Branches change for the better.
I specifically did research on INACTIVE and how it is being used inappropriately to describe ACTIVE MANDATORY STATUS on ORDERS RESERVISTs doing hazardous duties alongside Full Time Service Members, and the innuendos that INACTIVE carries and the Disparaging and sometimes second class lower tier lower appreciation or simply dogged Reservist may take grief for simply showing up to train and drill on ORDERS that are out of his control, and lastly as my research has shown, and as my research will give proof below in a CONGRESSIONAL COMMITEE task group 1997, INACTIVE innacurately describes current reservist training hazardous optemp stressor training and lack of health care and actual laws in USCODE that limit heath care based on ORDERS less then 30 days, as reported by the SEC of RSRVS and SEC of MANPWR and HEALTH
This may not happen to a majority of RESERVIST. When a majority of RESERVIST are at RESERVE centers and not attached to COMPOSITE ACTIVE and RESERVE units in an AUGMENT unit in the HIGHEST-STATE of READINESS for QUICK RECALL and DEPLOYMENT.
But for the few that did or do serve there INACTIVE duty TRAINING LIKE THIS, I believe there should be more protection and more appreciation especially in the terminology used to describe it.
Lastly since WW 2 all conflicts used RESERVES to succeed and pull anything off. Simply, the AD manpower, is not enough, and to costly to maintain, between conflicts. And the RESERVES are kept in a high state of readiness. I lived it. I know. And I know it needs to improve. Sadly only because it can destroy the young man or woman in ways that few understand, mainly by putting young inexperierienced, men and women in HI-OPTEMP combat ACTIVE FUll TIME UNITS, in an AUGMEnT ROLE, forced to figure out how to take 2 days, 48 hours and learn and maintain hi level combat skills that the AD FULL TIME counterpart is living day in day out.
At the very least the young inexperienced Soldier or Sailor will feel out of place and will be overwhelmed by the supreme pressure it is to try to learn and soak in full time active duty skill sets on just 2 days a month. It is impossible to have success a majority of times. I lived it. I know. I tried. And in the end I write this report, and ask what others think of INACTIVE to describe such situations.
BELOW YOU WILL FIND snippets of a REPORT TO CONGRESS FROM SEC OF DEF RES AFFRS AND HEALTH AFFRS concerning RESERVIST like no time previous doing HAZARDOUS duties along side ACTIVE DUTY on IDT inactive duty training orders less then 30 days, a legal conundrum that lacks proper full ranging full spectrum health care from the wealthiest nations with the most advanced military and most well financed militaries, which puts a service member who is otherwise willing to risk his/her life even in training to defend his/her the UNITED STATES, puts a service member and dependents in a world of hurt when a reservist drilling incurs injury - becomes takes a boat load of stress on mental physical during training and becomes a major casualty or otherwise becomes incapacitated or sent back home with a possible multitude of symptoms of illness or injuries undealt with untreated uncared for etc etc..and it was all CALLED "INACTIVE" duty training And it was all captured in a REPORT to CONGRESS, I found that you can download yourself.
--Report to Congress 1997-------
Prepared by: Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense For Reserve Affairs
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense For Health Affairs
Section 746 of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 1997 directed the Department of Defense (DoD), in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation, to conduct a study and report to Congress on the means of improving the provision of uniform and consistent medical and dental care to members of the Reserve components (RCs)
Since the end of the Cold War, and with the drawdown of the force, the role of the Reserve components has changed, and the use of the RCs in the performance of operational missions has increased dramatically. Reservists are now providing daily support to military operations around the world. This increased use results in a significant increase in exposure to injury, illness, disease, and death in the line of duty. As shown in Exhibit 1, Reserve component man-day contributions to Total Force missions have increased ten-fold from a 1989 benchmark. At the same time, the overall strength of the Reserve forces has decreased by nearly one quarter. As a result, the average Reservist’s exposure to injury and illness has increased significantly
For example, on April 1, 1997, an Air Force Reserve C-130 aircraft crashed at Tegucigalpa, Honduras. Seven RC crew members survived this crash with incapacitating injuries. Although the survivors were entitled to incapacitation pay and medical treatment, prevailing restrictions precluded them from being retained on active duty for treatment of their injuries past the period of duty prescribed in their orders. Because length of duty status determines entitlements, their family members were not eligible for health care through the military’s TRICARE system. An Active or Reserve service member on orders for more than 30 days would have received retirement credit, pay and allowances, medical treatment for line of duty (LOD) injuries, comprehensive medical care for non-LOD conditions, and comprehensive medical care for family members. One survivor, who is married with three children under age five, noted, "I never thought in a million years that my family and I would not be covered if an accident occurred while serving my country." He also stated that, "If the Reservist/Guardsman knows that in a time of need, neither he nor his family will be protected, retention will be a serious problem…how can I continue to put my family in this predicament?" This example illustrates both the anachronistic scheme for the provision of health care and related benefits to Reserve component service members and the importance of modernizing the benefit scheme as a quality of life, force protection and recruiting and retention tool.
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB Joint Publication 1
Doctrine for the Armed Forces
of the United States 25 March 2013
(3) Coordinate and approve participation by assigned RC forces in joint exercises
and training when on active duty for training or performing inactive duty for training;
(3) RC forces on active duty for training or performing inactive-duty training may
be employed in connection with contingency operations only as provided by law, and when
the primary purpose is for training consistent with their mission or specialty.
inactive duty training. Authorized training performed by a member of a Reserve
Component not on active duty or active duty for training and consisting of regularly
scheduled unit training assemblies, additional training assemblies, periods of appropriate
duty or equivalent training, and any special additional duties authorized for Reserve
Component personnel by the Secretary concerned, and performed by them in connection
with the prescribed activities of the organization in which they are assigned with or
without pay. Also called IDT. (Approved for incorporation into JP 1-02.)
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB Joint Publication 4-05 Joint MOBILIZATION PLAN uses of INACTIVE 21 February 2014
f. DODD 1235.13, Management of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) and the Inactive
National Guard (ING).
Inactive National Guard. None. (Approved for removal from JP 1-02.)
inactive status. Status of reserve members on an inactive status list of a Reserve
Component or assigned to the Inactive Army National Guard. (Approved for
incorporation into JP 1-02.)
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB 1-02 DICTIONARY OF TERMS "INACTIVE" uses defined and seemingly conflicting confusing misleading as ACTIVE MANDATORY DRILLING READY RESERVES are always PERFORMING whatever is ORDERED UNDER ORDERS in "INACTIVE" duty training IDT
Joint Publication 1-02
Department of Defense
Dictionary of
Military and Associated Terms
inactive status — Status of reserve members on an inactive status list of a Reserve
Component or assigned to the Inactive Army National Guard. (JP 4-05)
TII total inactive inventory
inactive duty training — Authorized training performed by a member of a Reserve
Component not on active duty or active duty for training and consisting of regularly
scheduled unit training assemblies, additional training assemblies, periods of
appropriate duty or equivalent training, and any special additional duties authorized for
Reserve Component personnel by the Secretary concerned, and performed by them in
connection with the prescribed activities of the organization in which they are assigned
with or without pay. Also called IDT. See also active duty for training. (JP 1)
BELOW YOU FIND ARMY JAG REVIEW OF the INACTIVE term Used
THE ARMY
Headquarters, Department of the Army
Department of the Army Pamphlet 27-50-208 April 1990
Table of Contents
These drills are rather inappropriately called “inactive duty training’’ (IDT or drills), as though the reservist were some sort of inanimate object.
Inactive duty training is defined as “duty under Section 206 of Title 37 or any other provision of law and special additional duties within the units to which they are assigned.” DOD Dir 1235.10, Ordering the Selected Reserve to Active Duty for Operational Missions (1989 draft).
10 U.S.C. Q 672b provides that, at any time, an
authority designated by the appropriate Service Secretary
may involuntarily order to active duty any unit of the
Reserve component (Reserve or Guard) that is in an
“active status,” (i.e., not in the inactive or retired Reserve
or Guard)
The “active status’’ requirement would seem to exclude the Inactive Standby and Retired Reserve. 10 U.S.C. lOl(25) (1982); DOD Dir 1235.9, Management and Mobilization of the Standby Reserve (July 8, 1986).
The United States Code provides that inactive and retired personnel will not be called up unless there are not enough qualified active reservists in the Ready, Reserve.
The legislative authority for these callups-the United States Code-uses a confusing number of different terms to describe the type of duty for the recalled service member. For instance, the Code uses the terms “active duty,” “inactive duty training,” “active duty training,” “full time training duty;’ “active duty (other than training),” “active duty other than for training,” “annual training duty” (ATD), and “active duty for training” (ACDUTRA). While the legislation is explained and implemented by a number of DOD and service regulations (which are constantly being updated to keep pace with the times)there seems to ’be no standard scheme for the use of these terms in regard to the type of duty they authorize. This alone may be justification enough to revamp the laws.
Specialized Call-up Provisions
Involuntary Call-up Under the UCMJ I/
In response to the Court of Military Appeals decision in United States v. Cuput0,107 Congress in 1986 revised sections 2 and 3 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). ln This revision changed the law to permit ordering a member of the Reserve components to active duty for investigation, trial by court-martial, or non-judicial punishment for offenses committed while on prior “active duty” or “inactive-duty training.” ln addressing the Caput0 decision, Congress clarified that a member of a Reserve component is not, by virtue of the termination of a period of active duty or inactive-duty training, relieved from amenability to jurisdiction under the UCMJ for an offense committed during prior active duty or inactive-duty training.110
I specifically did research on INACTIVE and how it is being used inappropriately to describe ACTIVE MANDATORY STATUS on ORDERS RESERVISTs doing hazardous duties alongside Full Time Service Members, and the innuendos that INACTIVE carries and the Disparaging and sometimes second class lower tier lower appreciation or simply dogged Reservist may take grief for simply showing up to train and drill on ORDERS that are out of his control, and lastly as my research has shown, and as my research will give proof below in a CONGRESSIONAL COMMITEE task group 1997, INACTIVE innacurately describes current reservist training hazardous optemp stressor training and lack of health care and actual laws in USCODE that limit heath care based on ORDERS less then 30 days, as reported by the SEC of RSRVS and SEC of MANPWR and HEALTH
This may not happen to a majority of RESERVIST. When a majority of RESERVIST are at RESERVE centers and not attached to COMPOSITE ACTIVE and RESERVE units in an AUGMENT unit in the HIGHEST-STATE of READINESS for QUICK RECALL and DEPLOYMENT.
But for the few that did or do serve there INACTIVE duty TRAINING LIKE THIS, I believe there should be more protection and more appreciation especially in the terminology used to describe it.
Lastly since WW 2 all conflicts used RESERVES to succeed and pull anything off. Simply, the AD manpower, is not enough, and to costly to maintain, between conflicts. And the RESERVES are kept in a high state of readiness. I lived it. I know. And I know it needs to improve. Sadly only because it can destroy the young man or woman in ways that few understand, mainly by putting young inexperierienced, men and women in HI-OPTEMP combat ACTIVE FUll TIME UNITS, in an AUGMEnT ROLE, forced to figure out how to take 2 days, 48 hours and learn and maintain hi level combat skills that the AD FULL TIME counterpart is living day in day out.
At the very least the young inexperienced Soldier or Sailor will feel out of place and will be overwhelmed by the supreme pressure it is to try to learn and soak in full time active duty skill sets on just 2 days a month. It is impossible to have success a majority of times. I lived it. I know. I tried. And in the end I write this report, and ask what others think of INACTIVE to describe such situations.
BELOW YOU WILL FIND snippets of a REPORT TO CONGRESS FROM SEC OF DEF RES AFFRS AND HEALTH AFFRS concerning RESERVIST like no time previous doing HAZARDOUS duties along side ACTIVE DUTY on IDT inactive duty training orders less then 30 days, a legal conundrum that lacks proper full ranging full spectrum health care from the wealthiest nations with the most advanced military and most well financed militaries, which puts a service member who is otherwise willing to risk his/her life even in training to defend his/her the UNITED STATES, puts a service member and dependents in a world of hurt when a reservist drilling incurs injury - becomes takes a boat load of stress on mental physical during training and becomes a major casualty or otherwise becomes incapacitated or sent back home with a possible multitude of symptoms of illness or injuries undealt with untreated uncared for etc etc..and it was all CALLED "INACTIVE" duty training And it was all captured in a REPORT to CONGRESS, I found that you can download yourself.
--Report to Congress 1997-------
Prepared by: Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense For Reserve Affairs
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense For Health Affairs
Section 746 of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 1997 directed the Department of Defense (DoD), in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation, to conduct a study and report to Congress on the means of improving the provision of uniform and consistent medical and dental care to members of the Reserve components (RCs)
Since the end of the Cold War, and with the drawdown of the force, the role of the Reserve components has changed, and the use of the RCs in the performance of operational missions has increased dramatically. Reservists are now providing daily support to military operations around the world. This increased use results in a significant increase in exposure to injury, illness, disease, and death in the line of duty. As shown in Exhibit 1, Reserve component man-day contributions to Total Force missions have increased ten-fold from a 1989 benchmark. At the same time, the overall strength of the Reserve forces has decreased by nearly one quarter. As a result, the average Reservist’s exposure to injury and illness has increased significantly
For example, on April 1, 1997, an Air Force Reserve C-130 aircraft crashed at Tegucigalpa, Honduras. Seven RC crew members survived this crash with incapacitating injuries. Although the survivors were entitled to incapacitation pay and medical treatment, prevailing restrictions precluded them from being retained on active duty for treatment of their injuries past the period of duty prescribed in their orders. Because length of duty status determines entitlements, their family members were not eligible for health care through the military’s TRICARE system. An Active or Reserve service member on orders for more than 30 days would have received retirement credit, pay and allowances, medical treatment for line of duty (LOD) injuries, comprehensive medical care for non-LOD conditions, and comprehensive medical care for family members. One survivor, who is married with three children under age five, noted, "I never thought in a million years that my family and I would not be covered if an accident occurred while serving my country." He also stated that, "If the Reservist/Guardsman knows that in a time of need, neither he nor his family will be protected, retention will be a serious problem…how can I continue to put my family in this predicament?" This example illustrates both the anachronistic scheme for the provision of health care and related benefits to Reserve component service members and the importance of modernizing the benefit scheme as a quality of life, force protection and recruiting and retention tool.
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB Joint Publication 1
Doctrine for the Armed Forces
of the United States 25 March 2013
(3) Coordinate and approve participation by assigned RC forces in joint exercises
and training when on active duty for training or performing inactive duty for training;
(3) RC forces on active duty for training or performing inactive-duty training may
be employed in connection with contingency operations only as provided by law, and when
the primary purpose is for training consistent with their mission or specialty.
inactive duty training. Authorized training performed by a member of a Reserve
Component not on active duty or active duty for training and consisting of regularly
scheduled unit training assemblies, additional training assemblies, periods of appropriate
duty or equivalent training, and any special additional duties authorized for Reserve
Component personnel by the Secretary concerned, and performed by them in connection
with the prescribed activities of the organization in which they are assigned with or
without pay. Also called IDT. (Approved for incorporation into JP 1-02.)
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB Joint Publication 4-05 Joint MOBILIZATION PLAN uses of INACTIVE 21 February 2014
f. DODD 1235.13, Management of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) and the Inactive
National Guard (ING).
Inactive National Guard. None. (Approved for removal from JP 1-02.)
inactive status. Status of reserve members on an inactive status list of a Reserve
Component or assigned to the Inactive Army National Guard. (Approved for
incorporation into JP 1-02.)
BELOW DOD JOINT PUB 1-02 DICTIONARY OF TERMS "INACTIVE" uses defined and seemingly conflicting confusing misleading as ACTIVE MANDATORY DRILLING READY RESERVES are always PERFORMING whatever is ORDERED UNDER ORDERS in "INACTIVE" duty training IDT
Joint Publication 1-02
Department of Defense
Dictionary of
Military and Associated Terms
inactive status — Status of reserve members on an inactive status list of a Reserve
Component or assigned to the Inactive Army National Guard. (JP 4-05)
TII total inactive inventory
inactive duty training — Authorized training performed by a member of a Reserve
Component not on active duty or active duty for training and consisting of regularly
scheduled unit training assemblies, additional training assemblies, periods of
appropriate duty or equivalent training, and any special additional duties authorized for
Reserve Component personnel by the Secretary concerned, and performed by them in
connection with the prescribed activities of the organization in which they are assigned
with or without pay. Also called IDT. See also active duty for training. (JP 1)
BELOW YOU FIND ARMY JAG REVIEW OF the INACTIVE term Used
THE ARMY
Headquarters, Department of the Army
Department of the Army Pamphlet 27-50-208 April 1990
Table of Contents
These drills are rather inappropriately called “inactive duty training’’ (IDT or drills), as though the reservist were some sort of inanimate object.
Inactive duty training is defined as “duty under Section 206 of Title 37 or any other provision of law and special additional duties within the units to which they are assigned.” DOD Dir 1235.10, Ordering the Selected Reserve to Active Duty for Operational Missions (1989 draft).
10 U.S.C. Q 672b provides that, at any time, an
authority designated by the appropriate Service Secretary
may involuntarily order to active duty any unit of the
Reserve component (Reserve or Guard) that is in an
“active status,” (i.e., not in the inactive or retired Reserve
or Guard)
The “active status’’ requirement would seem to exclude the Inactive Standby and Retired Reserve. 10 U.S.C. lOl(25) (1982); DOD Dir 1235.9, Management and Mobilization of the Standby Reserve (July 8, 1986).
The United States Code provides that inactive and retired personnel will not be called up unless there are not enough qualified active reservists in the Ready, Reserve.
The legislative authority for these callups-the United States Code-uses a confusing number of different terms to describe the type of duty for the recalled service member. For instance, the Code uses the terms “active duty,” “inactive duty training,” “active duty training,” “full time training duty;’ “active duty (other than training),” “active duty other than for training,” “annual training duty” (ATD), and “active duty for training” (ACDUTRA). While the legislation is explained and implemented by a number of DOD and service regulations (which are constantly being updated to keep pace with the times)there seems to ’be no standard scheme for the use of these terms in regard to the type of duty they authorize. This alone may be justification enough to revamp the laws.
Specialized Call-up Provisions
Involuntary Call-up Under the UCMJ I/
In response to the Court of Military Appeals decision in United States v. Cuput0,107 Congress in 1986 revised sections 2 and 3 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). ln This revision changed the law to permit ordering a member of the Reserve components to active duty for investigation, trial by court-martial, or non-judicial punishment for offenses committed while on prior “active duty” or “inactive-duty training.” ln addressing the Caput0 decision, Congress clarified that a member of a Reserve component is not, by virtue of the termination of a period of active duty or inactive-duty training, relieved from amenability to jurisdiction under the UCMJ for an offense committed during prior active duty or inactive-duty training.110
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I am trying to understand fully what you are trying to state.
Inactive is just that. Those individuals who are still under their eight year obligation and required to report in once a year for location purposes.
As far as a Reserve or National Guard Member I believe that they can achieve quality training during their MUTA's as long as the Unit is focused fully on training. I have have served in both Active and National Guard. I can say that the training has been equal.
It is the Leaders job to care about the quality of training their Unit receives and understand that ll of us can be called upon to serve the Nation.
Inactive is just that. Those individuals who are still under their eight year obligation and required to report in once a year for location purposes.
As far as a Reserve or National Guard Member I believe that they can achieve quality training during their MUTA's as long as the Unit is focused fully on training. I have have served in both Active and National Guard. I can say that the training has been equal.
It is the Leaders job to care about the quality of training their Unit receives and understand that ll of us can be called upon to serve the Nation.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
SSG
First let me say thanks for your dedication and sacrifice. I know words are words. But I think you get the drift. I am a guy who regardless of branch wants to act and believe in the highest ethics the Service taught me, the brother and sister hood, with concepts and team first mentality, leave no man behind risk it all for your brother kind of guy.
I am not sure if you read this in my post. I found in ARMY JAG review of INACTIVE. I repost it here.
THE ARMY
Headquarters, Department of the Army
Department of the Army Pamphlet 27-50-208 April 1990
Table of Contents
"""""""""""""""""""These drills are rather inappropriately called “inactive duty training’’ (IDT or drills), as though the reservist were some sort of inanimate object""""""""""
With that above quotation from ARMY JAG I base my question and review of INACTIVE. In the end I believe I contest the idea that anytime I ever put the Uniform of the United States Navy on and followed ORDERS attached to Combat Unit Ship doing hazardous at times life threatening evolutions, I was doing it INACTIVELY.
I never considered the word INACTIVE and what it truly means by definition. Infact there is an INACTIVE RESERVE component that is not required to drill and does not follow orders. IDT is appropriate for the INACTIVE RESERVES.
ACTIVE DUTY TRAINING should always be the term used to describe ACTIVE RESERVIST who are drilling regardless of Branch. And to add to that full benefits including Full Availability of health care screenings especially in COMBAT units doing training.
But in some instances using INACTIVE allows for limited benefits especially medical options access to MHF for stress related injuries that start out minor after a long grueling COMBAT TRAINING weekend. In my enlistment I did not have access to MHF or VA health Care as I was not a VET at 19.
I think I found in my studying the ARMY has a complete different Reserve program. And maybe in the ARMY reserves during training you are not exposed to the same risks without proper health care access. I think the ARMY would always have a MEDICAL OFFICER available or MILITARY HEALTH FACILITY close by on a Weekend Drill.
But in the NAVY unit I was attatched you find yourself hundreds of miles from the MAINLAND in the middle of the Ocean exposed to the most extreme cold and heat you would ever want to feel, HI OPTEMP COMBAT SIMULATED Warfare COMBAT DRILLS Live Fire exercises, Damage Control, with No Medical Officer on Board just a CORPSMAN for broken bones and then you are dropped off SUNDAY Night SEA SICK DAZED and CONFUSED all when you are 19, and that same 19 year old was to take all he was exposed to in that weekend and remember it, and somehow recall it with efficiency, doing stressful maneuvers, repeating the same scenario a few weeks later in the next drill.
Hey I am a man. I lived it. But that is why I am contesting INACTIVE.
What is INACTIVE about that?
It is an odd choice of words outdated I believe.
That's just a glimpse
In the end I believe I contest the idea that anytime I ever put the Uniform of the United States Navy on and followed ORDERS attatched to Combat Unit Ship doing hazardous at times life threatening evolutions, I was doing it INACTIVELY.
I never considered the word INACTIVE and what it truly means by definition. Infact there is an INACTIVE RESERVE component that is not required to drill and does not follow orders. IDT is appropriate for the INACTIVE RESERVES.
ACTIVE DUTY TRAINING should always be the term used to describe ACTIVE RESERVIST who are drilling regardless of Branch. And to add to that full benefits including Full Availablity of health care screenings especially in COMBAT units doing training.
I think I found in my studying the ARMY has a complete different Reserve program. And maybe in the ARMY reserves during training you are not exposed to the same risks without proper health care access. I think the ARMY would always have a MEDICAL OFFICER available or MILITARY HEALTH FACILITY close by on a Weekend Drill.
But in the NAVY unit I was attatched you find yourself hundreds of miles from the MAINLAND in the middle of the Ocean exposed to the most extreme cold and heat you would ever want to feel, HI OPTEMP COMBAT SIMULATED Warfare COMBAT DRILLS Live Fire exercises, Damage Control, with No Medical Officer on Board just a CORPSMAN for broken bones and then you are dropped off SUNDAY Night SEA SICK DAZED and CONFUSED all when you are 19, and that same 19 year old was to take all he was exposed to in that weekend and remember it, and somehow recall it with efficiency, doing stressful maneuvers, repeating the same scenario a few weeks later in the next drill.
Hey I am a man. I lived it. But that is why I am contesting INACTIVE.
What is INACTIVE about that?
It is an odd choice of words outdated I believe.
That's just a glimpse
First let me say thanks for your dedication and sacrifice. I know words are words. But I think you get the drift. I am a guy who regardless of branch wants to act and believe in the highest ethics the Service taught me, the brother and sister hood, with concepts and team first mentality, leave no man behind risk it all for your brother kind of guy.
I am not sure if you read this in my post. I found in ARMY JAG review of INACTIVE. I repost it here.
THE ARMY
Headquarters, Department of the Army
Department of the Army Pamphlet 27-50-208 April 1990
Table of Contents
"""""""""""""""""""These drills are rather inappropriately called “inactive duty training’’ (IDT or drills), as though the reservist were some sort of inanimate object""""""""""
With that above quotation from ARMY JAG I base my question and review of INACTIVE. In the end I believe I contest the idea that anytime I ever put the Uniform of the United States Navy on and followed ORDERS attached to Combat Unit Ship doing hazardous at times life threatening evolutions, I was doing it INACTIVELY.
I never considered the word INACTIVE and what it truly means by definition. Infact there is an INACTIVE RESERVE component that is not required to drill and does not follow orders. IDT is appropriate for the INACTIVE RESERVES.
ACTIVE DUTY TRAINING should always be the term used to describe ACTIVE RESERVIST who are drilling regardless of Branch. And to add to that full benefits including Full Availability of health care screenings especially in COMBAT units doing training.
But in some instances using INACTIVE allows for limited benefits especially medical options access to MHF for stress related injuries that start out minor after a long grueling COMBAT TRAINING weekend. In my enlistment I did not have access to MHF or VA health Care as I was not a VET at 19.
I think I found in my studying the ARMY has a complete different Reserve program. And maybe in the ARMY reserves during training you are not exposed to the same risks without proper health care access. I think the ARMY would always have a MEDICAL OFFICER available or MILITARY HEALTH FACILITY close by on a Weekend Drill.
But in the NAVY unit I was attatched you find yourself hundreds of miles from the MAINLAND in the middle of the Ocean exposed to the most extreme cold and heat you would ever want to feel, HI OPTEMP COMBAT SIMULATED Warfare COMBAT DRILLS Live Fire exercises, Damage Control, with No Medical Officer on Board just a CORPSMAN for broken bones and then you are dropped off SUNDAY Night SEA SICK DAZED and CONFUSED all when you are 19, and that same 19 year old was to take all he was exposed to in that weekend and remember it, and somehow recall it with efficiency, doing stressful maneuvers, repeating the same scenario a few weeks later in the next drill.
Hey I am a man. I lived it. But that is why I am contesting INACTIVE.
What is INACTIVE about that?
It is an odd choice of words outdated I believe.
That's just a glimpse
In the end I believe I contest the idea that anytime I ever put the Uniform of the United States Navy on and followed ORDERS attatched to Combat Unit Ship doing hazardous at times life threatening evolutions, I was doing it INACTIVELY.
I never considered the word INACTIVE and what it truly means by definition. Infact there is an INACTIVE RESERVE component that is not required to drill and does not follow orders. IDT is appropriate for the INACTIVE RESERVES.
ACTIVE DUTY TRAINING should always be the term used to describe ACTIVE RESERVIST who are drilling regardless of Branch. And to add to that full benefits including Full Availablity of health care screenings especially in COMBAT units doing training.
I think I found in my studying the ARMY has a complete different Reserve program. And maybe in the ARMY reserves during training you are not exposed to the same risks without proper health care access. I think the ARMY would always have a MEDICAL OFFICER available or MILITARY HEALTH FACILITY close by on a Weekend Drill.
But in the NAVY unit I was attatched you find yourself hundreds of miles from the MAINLAND in the middle of the Ocean exposed to the most extreme cold and heat you would ever want to feel, HI OPTEMP COMBAT SIMULATED Warfare COMBAT DRILLS Live Fire exercises, Damage Control, with No Medical Officer on Board just a CORPSMAN for broken bones and then you are dropped off SUNDAY Night SEA SICK DAZED and CONFUSED all when you are 19, and that same 19 year old was to take all he was exposed to in that weekend and remember it, and somehow recall it with efficiency, doing stressful maneuvers, repeating the same scenario a few weeks later in the next drill.
Hey I am a man. I lived it. But that is why I am contesting INACTIVE.
What is INACTIVE about that?
It is an odd choice of words outdated I believe.
That's just a glimpse
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Ah, now I see PO3 Aaron Hassay. I agree with you that the word choice is incorrect. to me no drill is inactive training. It is the same or should be the same as what active does.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
SSG,
I don't believe it is to far a stretch of imagination to see the misuse there. A logical mind sees it is misused as a descriptive word to ACTIVELY filling orders and ACTIVELY following orders even 1 hour 1 day 2 days 30 days etc etc etc etc.
Add on some hazardous duties and INACTIVE is completely misguided to describe training.
So much so, is INACTIVE misused I was surprised when I found ARMY JAG reported on its misuse also. So I am not alone.
The problem I found in the unit I served, and even today if you mention you were in the reserves lets say, at a VSO, to apply for benefits, etc..if the SERVICE OFFICER knows or takes to heart that your enlistment was a reservist enlistment, no matter if you dug ditches to CHINA or were sipping tea in a RESERVE Center, you won't get much support or even help and be shown the door, as depending on the VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER who served ACTIVE DUTY MAINLY they think of someone who was mainly a reservist as a mute or not worthy of FULL TIME benefits, as I think the ASSUMPTION from most ACTIVE DUTY is that RESERVES do indeed do nothing and sit at RESERVE CENTERS and read the PAPER.
The VSO, who gave me a hard time who I think had a desk job in the AIR FORCE, would never sign on and crap his pants if he did 1 day of INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING LIVE SIMULTATED COMBAT TRANING in the Middle of the OCEAN for just a couple hours.
SO It is these slights that I am confronting. It will make the service better bottom to top if the MORALE and APPRECIATION for what happens in TRAINING for RESERVES can be like for some units.
I don't believe it is to far a stretch of imagination to see the misuse there. A logical mind sees it is misused as a descriptive word to ACTIVELY filling orders and ACTIVELY following orders even 1 hour 1 day 2 days 30 days etc etc etc etc.
Add on some hazardous duties and INACTIVE is completely misguided to describe training.
So much so, is INACTIVE misused I was surprised when I found ARMY JAG reported on its misuse also. So I am not alone.
The problem I found in the unit I served, and even today if you mention you were in the reserves lets say, at a VSO, to apply for benefits, etc..if the SERVICE OFFICER knows or takes to heart that your enlistment was a reservist enlistment, no matter if you dug ditches to CHINA or were sipping tea in a RESERVE Center, you won't get much support or even help and be shown the door, as depending on the VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER who served ACTIVE DUTY MAINLY they think of someone who was mainly a reservist as a mute or not worthy of FULL TIME benefits, as I think the ASSUMPTION from most ACTIVE DUTY is that RESERVES do indeed do nothing and sit at RESERVE CENTERS and read the PAPER.
The VSO, who gave me a hard time who I think had a desk job in the AIR FORCE, would never sign on and crap his pants if he did 1 day of INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING LIVE SIMULTATED COMBAT TRANING in the Middle of the OCEAN for just a couple hours.
SO It is these slights that I am confronting. It will make the service better bottom to top if the MORALE and APPRECIATION for what happens in TRAINING for RESERVES can be like for some units.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
Here I was thinking d’tume Back that inactive Reserves was a bunch of guys(regardless of branch) that were delayed enlistees that showed up to do whatever it is they're Assigned to do ... staple briefings and phamphlets. Or some other task... when done, sign out and go home.. see y’all next month !
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IDT quite simply means you are not incorporated into the ranks of the Regular Army for training purposes, key word being training. If you're doing real live missions, not in a training environment, you then fall under Title 8, or Title 10, I forget which. Whichever, you are ordered to temporary active duty. If it's you making up weekends or AT, then it stays IDT.
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I suppose I can thank those that madd it possible that I had an active drill weekend to do what I was trained to do (prepare and provide sustenance for assigned Airmen Personnel..)..
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