Posted on Sep 5, 2019
Anyone have good corrective training for a lost CAC?
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I have a few ideas, but I was wondering if anyone had any great ideas that are effective (and unusual) that will hit home the importance of not losing the CAC.
CAC
Corrective Training
Counseling
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How about as a first step you speak with a soldier and find out what happened
Does this soldier lose property often?
Or is this just something that happens to everybody whether it’s a set of car keys that falls out of your pocket your wallet comes out of a backpack when the zipper broke or just your plain old garden-variety a couple of times and just about everybody’s life you left something where you should not and when you went back it was gone
Collective training is used to alter behavior perhaps find out if there’s a behavior that needs to be altered before you solicit inventive ways to punish under the guise of correct of training
Most soldiers generally want to do good most soldiers when they make a mistake dislike in the selves for having made the mistake
Perhaps you’ve done all of that if so and you still feel the soldier needs correct of training to fully grasp the requirement to maintain positive control of an ID card
Then by all means take it vantage of something non-punitive reasonable in duration to push the point home
Does this soldier lose property often?
Or is this just something that happens to everybody whether it’s a set of car keys that falls out of your pocket your wallet comes out of a backpack when the zipper broke or just your plain old garden-variety a couple of times and just about everybody’s life you left something where you should not and when you went back it was gone
Collective training is used to alter behavior perhaps find out if there’s a behavior that needs to be altered before you solicit inventive ways to punish under the guise of correct of training
Most soldiers generally want to do good most soldiers when they make a mistake dislike in the selves for having made the mistake
Perhaps you’ve done all of that if so and you still feel the soldier needs correct of training to fully grasp the requirement to maintain positive control of an ID card
Then by all means take it vantage of something non-punitive reasonable in duration to push the point home
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Ok great so you looked before you jumped. Well done
So the task is reinforcing the issue while walking the line for it to be irritating but not punishment.
I’d make it simple
Counseling session the details requirements and expectations and recommended actions if he should lose it again
And then the task condition and standards for his retraining.
All the NCOs In the platoon, every time he passes within “greeting of the day” distance the NCO says
Marquez, do you know where your ID is?
At which time Marquez is required to acknowledge the NCO with the greeting of the day and state his ID card is in his (where ever he wants to keep it) he then must remove and show, then stow the is card. Then stating Sgt my ID card is secured after it is put away.
Ok great so you looked before you jumped. Well done
So the task is reinforcing the issue while walking the line for it to be irritating but not punishment.
I’d make it simple
Counseling session the details requirements and expectations and recommended actions if he should lose it again
And then the task condition and standards for his retraining.
All the NCOs In the platoon, every time he passes within “greeting of the day” distance the NCO says
Marquez, do you know where your ID is?
At which time Marquez is required to acknowledge the NCO with the greeting of the day and state his ID card is in his (where ever he wants to keep it) he then must remove and show, then stow the is card. Then stating Sgt my ID card is secured after it is put away.
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SPC Nancy Greene
I am of the opinion ‘do what YOU need to do’ to correct and prevent further incidents .MSG (Join to see)
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SGM Erik Marquez
SPC Nancy Greene
OK good suggestion
So you specifically what would make an impact on modifying your behavior in this type of situation?
No matter what the answer is the point of my statement is that it’s different for every soldier
Some you can just look at and say really don’t do that again and it won’t happen again
Others you can play silly games with but it makes an impression and they realize they don’t wanna do it again so they plan better not to lose the ID card
And I’ll likely no longer acceptable there are some that won’t respond to verbal or other administrative type things but would respond very well to being ordered to run to the motor pool and display ID card to the motor sergeant who would then tell him run to the commo shop where he would display his ID card to the Sgt, Who would tell Him run to The PAC office and show his ID card to the Sgt, who would tell him run in place until a NCO from the battalion comes in and show him your ID card, who would tell him to run to..........ect ect ect
And once he pukes, send him to the medics and have the medic that needs the practice the most start an IV ( sticking as many times as needed under the supervision of the PA)
Once rehydrated explain this was just fun next time it’s gonna hurt
And that sold or will never lose his ID card again his pants his weapon maybe even his Bradley but not his ID card
OK good suggestion
So you specifically what would make an impact on modifying your behavior in this type of situation?
No matter what the answer is the point of my statement is that it’s different for every soldier
Some you can just look at and say really don’t do that again and it won’t happen again
Others you can play silly games with but it makes an impression and they realize they don’t wanna do it again so they plan better not to lose the ID card
And I’ll likely no longer acceptable there are some that won’t respond to verbal or other administrative type things but would respond very well to being ordered to run to the motor pool and display ID card to the motor sergeant who would then tell him run to the commo shop where he would display his ID card to the Sgt, Who would tell Him run to The PAC office and show his ID card to the Sgt, who would tell him run in place until a NCO from the battalion comes in and show him your ID card, who would tell him to run to..........ect ect ect
And once he pukes, send him to the medics and have the medic that needs the practice the most start an IV ( sticking as many times as needed under the supervision of the PA)
Once rehydrated explain this was just fun next time it’s gonna hurt
And that sold or will never lose his ID card again his pants his weapon maybe even his Bradley but not his ID card
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CPT (Join to see)
Punishment is an often overlooked corrective method. However unpleasant, it is superior to non-judicial punishment for reasonably minor infractions.
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I would have that Soldier report to you and/or CQ every day once before PT, once at Lunch, once at COB formation and again during the day (even on weekends) for a few days. It may not be that "unusal" but let's face it, nothing impacts a Soldier more than taking their time to do something so "dumb" as to present your ID Card to someone.
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SGT Ben Keen
LCDR T.J. Smith - I had some pretty good success with that sort of corrective action before. Troops don't want to give up their time to present themselves for inspection on a weekend. After a couple of days, the Soldier will realize the cost of forgetting something. If they repeat you extend the day and if he happens a third time you go for something more painful.
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