Posted on Feb 18, 2014
LTC John Czarnecki
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If you were to get a Company Grade Article 15 for some minor offense, one of the punishment options is a week's confinement.&nbsp; Move up to a Field Grade ART 15 and you can get a month.<br><br>This USED to be served at the post CCF, or Correctional Confinement Facility, popularly called the Gulag.&nbsp; It wasn't jail, but it wasn't a nice place, either.&nbsp; Hard-ass NCOs would supervise work details, where an errant young trooper would serve his confinement by filling sandbags, or cutting firewood for the Sr. NCO's and Officer's quarters.&nbsp; The soldiers lived in WWII barracks which were surrounded by a fence but no guard.&nbsp; There was a CQ on duty to make sure nobody ran off, however.<br><br>The objective was to make the wrong-doer sweat a bit for their crimes.&nbsp; This did one of two things:&nbsp; the soldier who punched an NCO and got an ART-15 would either become reformed, or would become incorrigible and would generally wind up being Chaptered out of the service.&nbsp; More often than not, the soldiers who went to CCF would be reformed.<br><br>I started this thread as a companion to the School of the Soldier thread... by getting back to the basics, even with a purely volunteer Service, I feel the needs of the NCOs are best being met.&nbsp; <br><br>What do you think?&nbsp; Have you had any experience with the CCF?&nbsp; (I once took a truckload of empty sandbags to the CCF to have them filled... I was tapped to support the construction of ROTC summer camp fighting positions at Ft. Lewis.&nbsp; The NCOIC at the CCF pointed to a shade tree and told the three of us to relax in the lounge chairs under it.&nbsp; A few hours later our truck was neatly loaded with a thousand or so filled sandbags.&nbsp; Nice.)<br>
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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"Back in the day," CDRs had the ability to send Basic Training Soldiers, OSUT Soldiers, and others who&nbsp;needed a dose of reality,&nbsp;to Scared Straight.&nbsp; Scared Straight was conducted at the Regional Correctional Facility at Fort Knox.&nbsp; 48-96 hours was usually more enough to "scare a Soldier straight," get their head out ass, and find the proper motivation to train.&nbsp;&nbsp;The success&nbsp;rate was very high.&nbsp; &nbsp;
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CPT Jacob Swartout
CPT Jacob Swartout
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1SG Steven Stankovich I need a RCF started here with the amount of new IET Soldiers that quit training for a plethora of reasons other than they are physically hurt or didn't pass a graduation requirement. Not all will graduate and not all should be in the Army however, a vast majority just quit because that option of violating ART 92 hold no weight to them other than more time in BCT/OSUT and it doesn't give them any RCF time. If we had one, I would send them to it. These non-trainers will take a FG ART 15 along with the consequences and know that eventually they will be home. To them it's worth it despite what kind of chapter they receive.
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1SG Steven Stankovich
1SG Steven Stankovich
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I concur with you there CPT Jacob Swartout. And I know about a dozen AIT PSGs that would also welcome the rehabilitation option.
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CPL Raymond Weaver
CPL Raymond Weaver
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Do you think the quality of soldier would improve substantially if we had the draft ?
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1SG Steven Stankovich
1SG Steven Stankovich
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CPL Raymond Weaver, no I do not. We have high quality Soldiers now and that is due in large part be cause they want to be Soldiers. We have an all volunteer force. If service becomes mandatory due to a draft, I believe there would’ve a substantial drop in not only new recruits, but in our overall force.
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LTC Joseph Gross
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While sitting in those worthless SHARP classes today instead of doing my job I was thinking about Charlie's Chicken Farm and how we didn't have the discipline problems then that we have now. There is something to be said for some direct intervention and I think we saw that in the "good old days".
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Damn. Skippy
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1SG Michael Blount
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Absolutely! I wish we had that option in BCT-land. Believe me,I'd recommend it every time the chance came along (within reason).
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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I believe it should come back, I remember it was 30 days they called it the "School of Soldiers". You were a better trained, mentally and physcially Soldier.
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1SG Michael Blount
1SG Michael Blount
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@SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL - I will never forget the first time I ran into people from Charlie's Chicken Farm. I was a DSC at Ft Knox and wondered who were those people wearing raggedy uniforms doing yard work. I remember wondering if CCF was Army-wide or post-specific. I now think it should be Army-wide and post-prominent. People have GOT to understand that the days of just showing up for a job are over. I don't know what else or how better to get that idea across than displaying what happens to offenders. USMC has something similar and we all know they don't have nearly the discipline problems the Army does. Is there a connection? I think so.
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