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Has anyone else noticed that at most military schools the APFT graders seem to grade you harder than your unit? Why is this? Has anyone else seen this? I remember having to be video taped and having to provide three "example" push-ups prior to my test during my APFT in ANCOC, seemed a little over board at the time. Thoughts?
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Posted 10 y ago
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Because NCOES grades to standard, most units grade to fix thier metrics. THis is systemic and needs NCO's with integrity to stand up and grade to standard at the unit level.
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I put together a PPT presentation for my unit outlining proper form for the push up and sit up event. I gave advice for increasing scores. I gave demonstrations on variations and even gave advice on cutting run times down. I wrapped it up with "You can't out train a bad diet I've tried" lol. When I'm in charge of conducting PT at Battle Assembly I make everyone run because that where most struggle the most. I tried to preach the standard, but 2 days a month is not enough time.
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CSM Michael Poll
SPC Edmond, We in the Reserve have a difficult time with this as you say 2 days a month will not prepare anyone to pass the APFT, You are doing more than most Reserve units as I rarely if ever see PT in the training schedule. In the Reserve it is an individual responsibility to maintain fitness. This is the ne point for leaders that is almost impossible to maintain. Except with paperwork for those that fail! Good job!
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SFC Gary Fox
CSM Michael P, I served as a 1SG for a Reserve unit. I counseled everyone who failed an APFT and everyone of them would tell me they didn't have time to do PT on their own because they either worked full-time or was going to college full-time.
I asked each and everyone of them if they watched TV every night. They all did. I told them each commercial break averaged three minutes. During one break they could do sit-ups; during another they could do pushups. There was no excuse for not finding 20 minutes in a day to where they could go run in their neighborhood. I blew their theory they didn't have time to do PT on their own.
Every BA Saturday after final formation, I would hold remedial PT. I started with two orange cones 25 meters apart. After stretching them out, I would have them line up side-by-side at one cone and do pushups until they reached muscle failure. Once they all hit that point, they had to duck walk to the other cone where they did crunches until muscle failure. While they were doing that, I moved the other cone away another 25 meters. Once hitting muscle failure from the crunches, they crab walked to the other cone where they once again had to do pushups until muscle failure. While they were doing that, I moved the other cone away another 25 meters. They then had to crab walk 75 meters. At the cone, they did crunches until muscle failure while I moved the other cone away another 25 meters. They then had to crab walk to that cone. The next day, they would all complain how sore they were. This helped motivate them to do PT on their own between BAs. This remedial PT program lasted no more than an hour per session.
If you use this approach, you will see your APFT passing rate increase in your unit. It did for mine.
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LTC Stephan Porter
In general CSM Michael Poll, I think that the units are just naturally biased (and don’t know it tealky) and the school houses are just holding to the standard as you stated.
There are some units ‘padding’ their numbers and schools grading outside the standard (harder) as well.
There are some units ‘padding’ their numbers and schools grading outside the standard (harder) as well.
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I hate to say it, but most of the pushups I have seen outside of an NCOES were not up to standard. At an NCOES they grade to standard. Period. They have no personal ties to the students.
It's impossible to correct a tester in the middle of an APFT in a way that will make a lasting influence. The correction needs to be happening every day at PT.
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Every NCOES APFT I have taken I have literally had to bounce my chest off the ground.
When I did situps the base of my neck had to go far beyond the base of my spine.
I do agree that unit APFT can certainly be the opposite, but every NCOES APFT was ridiculous. Not complaining too much, I earned APFT badge at each level, just saying it was pretty outlandish.
When I did situps the base of my neck had to go far beyond the base of my spine.
I do agree that unit APFT can certainly be the opposite, but every NCOES APFT was ridiculous. Not complaining too much, I earned APFT badge at each level, just saying it was pretty outlandish.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
MSG KG, is grading at a higher standard in the APFT part of a weeding out process?
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I don't think so. Probably the pressures placed on graders by their leaders to grade correctly, which gets interpreted to grade at a higher standard.
When Soldiers fail at a NCOES, the BDE CSM is the first person to get their ass chewed which starts the ball rolling downward. Therefore, there is a lot of effort in making sure their personnel are prepared and ready to successfully navigate the school.
There are schools that actively seek to weed out people, but the NCOES isn't the place.
When Soldiers fail at a NCOES, the BDE CSM is the first person to get their ass chewed which starts the ball rolling downward. Therefore, there is a lot of effort in making sure their personnel are prepared and ready to successfully navigate the school.
There are schools that actively seek to weed out people, but the NCOES isn't the place.
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SGT Ben Keen
Isn't bouncing your chest off the ground against the standard? The standard as I remember is arms must be parallel to the service member's body. For sit ups the base of your neck only needs to exceed the base of your spin. So if you are saying that you to bounce your chest off the ground and far exceed the base of your spine when doing sit ups, then I say that not all NCOES are grading to standard.
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MSG (Join to see)
SGT K, all those things you said are correct about the standards. It may be different now (last time I attended a NCOES was over ten years ago). However, based off what some of the latest WLC graduates have been saying, I doubt it.
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