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I have a new found respect for SecDef Ash Carter. I think he is the only admitting that the Iraqi Army have "No will to fight." I don't see this being said anywhere else. We are trying to find the good but in the meanwhile ISIS is making huge gains. After Tikrit, everyone had hope for the Iraqi Army. But truth be told it really wasn't the Iraqi Army that won there. It was Iraqi militias. Even then they failed to do it on their own and relied on US airstrikes. We will finally force us to rethink our strategy?
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I agree this seems to show a lack of will for the Iraqi Army. Even after American training and American hardware they don't possess the will to fight nor do they want to. I could speculate why, but since I don't honestly know the climate, reason, emotional ties, I will pass by. What I do think we need to do is support a Kurdistan state. Let them take what they can and start building them up. They show no lack of will, nor courage when fighting ISIS. Maybe if we can get a stable Kurd state, they can work with the other countries and start to bring stability back to the region.
Just a Theory though.
Just a Theory though.
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Kurds are the only reliable US partners in Iraq. We should give them the weapons and training to get rid of ISIS.
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I doubt that will work. The Kurds are not a Muslim people or Arab as a matter of fact. Pretty much everyone hates them. I doubt Iraq even wants their help and would rather perish than let them help. After all Iraq was supposed to give the Kurds weapons a long time ago but Iraq didn't. They kept them. The US had to back door it to supply them with Arms.
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MSgt Robert Pellam
CPT (Join to see) I agree with you. The Kurds are a back and forth subject in the Middle East. I've done a little research on them for my Middle East class, and politically they are in a weird limbo right now. The Kurds of Northern Iraq have an autonomous government from Iraq, but they are still considered a part of Iraq. They even put it to a vote in their own government to become a seperate state and the vote failed. There are Kurds in Turkey, Syria, and North Iran and all of them are pretty much hated by the ruling parties of each country. Turkey has a huge beef with them going back to the early 1920's, after Mustafa Ataurk came to power in Turkey, he claimed the lands that were originally supposed to go toward an independent Kurdish State after the break up of the Ottoman Empire. Since then the Kurds and Turks have had a mutual hate for each other. It has thawed in recent years though and they are talking. Mostly about Oil in the Kurdish lands but still they are talking.
As far as people go, the Kurds are pretty hearty. They have been opposed by main line Muslim factions all their lives and they still are able to survive. If we could get them to a position of power, (since the majority are Muslim) you could see a balance of power return to the Middle East. I would say they would be more like an Israel, where everyone hates them, but everyone respects them, Just different religions is all. Who knows. It would be one heck of a long shot.
As far as people go, the Kurds are pretty hearty. They have been opposed by main line Muslim factions all their lives and they still are able to survive. If we could get them to a position of power, (since the majority are Muslim) you could see a balance of power return to the Middle East. I would say they would be more like an Israel, where everyone hates them, but everyone respects them, Just different religions is all. Who knows. It would be one heck of a long shot.
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So Iraqi wants the evil oppressors out. We leave....now they want us and our money back. I say screw them.
They have no will to fight, they have no honor, and they have no recognition that they are actually Iraqis. They see themselves as Shia or Sunnis...this clan or that clan, but none see themselves as Iraqis. They will not fight for what they do not identify with or believe in.
They have no will to fight, they have no honor, and they have no recognition that they are actually Iraqis. They see themselves as Shia or Sunnis...this clan or that clan, but none see themselves as Iraqis. They will not fight for what they do not identify with or believe in.
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If we are going to call it what it is then lets start with a disorganized farce with grabasstic tendencies and piss poor leadership.
If we are going to call it what it is then lets start with a disorganized farce with grabasstic tendencies and piss poor leadership.
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SSG Donald Mceuen
Whats amazing is they have been fighting forever and can not
figure it out. We just need to bring our troops home close our
borders and fix are country first..
figure it out. We just need to bring our troops home close our
borders and fix are country first..
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