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I've worked with some of the best NCOs imaginable. Who seem to be stuck at that level. Versatile leaders, proficient, knowledgable, 1-1 rated NCOs, being passed over why, what are these NCOs doing/ not doing?
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Are you sure about that? What's the promotion rate for their MOS and grade? 15%? Have you met enough people in the Army in that MOS and grade to get a good idea of what the very top 20% look like?
You can't really ask an objective question, but preface it with anecdotal and subjective data.
You can't really ask an objective question, but preface it with anecdotal and subjective data.
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I just started a similar discussion, albeit more specific regarding this question.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-the-semi-centralized-promotion-system-hurting-quality-ncos-when-it-comes-to-promotion?c=1&urlhash=788979&disable_n_plus_one=1&from_creation=Comment
I just started a similar discussion, albeit more specific regarding this question.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-the-semi-centralized-promotion-system-hurting-quality-ncos-when-it-comes-to-promotion?c=1&urlhash=788979&disable_n_plus_one=1&from_creation=Comment
Is the semi-centralized promotion system hurting quality NCOs when it comes to promotion? |...
The current semi-centralized promotion system (specifically concerning SSGs) authorizes 280 points towards military education. This is broken down into NCOES, Resident Military Training, and Computer Based Training. If you have ever been one of the most capable NCOs in your MOS at your unit, chances are you were the last to attend training. At least that has been my experience, and the experience of many NCOs I know. These quality NCOs 'hold...
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This is a Subjective question, which I can try to explain.
It's NOT like we rank ALL E7 against each other and say the Top 5% are getting promoted. That would Objectively mean the "Best" NCOs are getting promoted.
Because of Force Structure, we have to segregate by MOS/OccField. So it's like have 200 buckets of E7, and we choose the Best NCO(s) out of each bucket. Unfortunately, what that means is, with different size buckets, you end up with 1 bucket that has NCOs with different levels of skill than another bucket.
So someone in Bucket A would be a range of 75-80% (if you were using a percentile score), and bucket B would be 90-95%. Competition in Bucket B is just harder. The best guy in Bucket A just isn't as good as the worst guy in Bucket B. This isn't to say both guys aren't qualified, just that they aren't directly comparable.
What this means is that you must be the "Best in field" because when you break up promotions over the total force, it changes distribution patterns.
As an example, let's say you have an Intel Guy, an Infantryman, and an Artilleryman. They all make E6 at exactly 8 years. But E7 slots open up for them differently. The Intel Guy may be looking to be "in zone" around 10-12 years, while the Infantryman would be 12-15, and the the Arty at 15-18 (made up numbers). This isn't a matter of anyone of them being better or worse than each other, it's just a matter of how many E9 slots exist, and how much time is left until those guys retire. This can massively affect when someone goes "in zone" and who their competition is.
It's NOT like we rank ALL E7 against each other and say the Top 5% are getting promoted. That would Objectively mean the "Best" NCOs are getting promoted.
Because of Force Structure, we have to segregate by MOS/OccField. So it's like have 200 buckets of E7, and we choose the Best NCO(s) out of each bucket. Unfortunately, what that means is, with different size buckets, you end up with 1 bucket that has NCOs with different levels of skill than another bucket.
So someone in Bucket A would be a range of 75-80% (if you were using a percentile score), and bucket B would be 90-95%. Competition in Bucket B is just harder. The best guy in Bucket A just isn't as good as the worst guy in Bucket B. This isn't to say both guys aren't qualified, just that they aren't directly comparable.
What this means is that you must be the "Best in field" because when you break up promotions over the total force, it changes distribution patterns.
As an example, let's say you have an Intel Guy, an Infantryman, and an Artilleryman. They all make E6 at exactly 8 years. But E7 slots open up for them differently. The Intel Guy may be looking to be "in zone" around 10-12 years, while the Infantryman would be 12-15, and the the Arty at 15-18 (made up numbers). This isn't a matter of anyone of them being better or worse than each other, it's just a matter of how many E9 slots exist, and how much time is left until those guys retire. This can massively affect when someone goes "in zone" and who their competition is.
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