Posted on Nov 13, 2014
A case of going overboard on political correctness?
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Obviously, he did the right thing. It should not matter that the Service Members involved where of the same sex. If that had been a heterosexual couple, the same thing should have happened. Off post, and out of uniform, nobody's business. On post, in uniform, at a formal event....no good.
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I would do some more research on this. I believe this is indicative to the way the Army's Investigative processes work.
I heard this previously, and there is more to this, than snippet the media showed. This happened, started in 2012, and eventually the Commander sued; there is lots on line about this.
http://www.counton2.com/story/27381758/pilot-sues-to-stop-army-discharge-after-he-tried-to-stop-lesbian-officers-make-out-session
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/11/14/decorated-combat-pilot-faces-discharge-after-trying-to-stop-lesbian-officers-from-french-kissing-groping-158980
Who knows what really happened. I believe the Senior Officer said the conduct was not appropriate in public, regardless of sex; not just because it was two women. This of course, appears to have degenerated to EO related issues and discrimination.
Having been investigated by EO, the DAIG and the DOD IG, I can tell you for certain, these agencies get their Jollies by taking down, or trying to take down Senior Leaders/Officers. They also immediately assume the accused is guilty based on any allegation. Then, the position we are in, is guilty until we prove we are innocent.
I heard this previously, and there is more to this, than snippet the media showed. This happened, started in 2012, and eventually the Commander sued; there is lots on line about this.
http://www.counton2.com/story/27381758/pilot-sues-to-stop-army-discharge-after-he-tried-to-stop-lesbian-officers-make-out-session
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/11/14/decorated-combat-pilot-faces-discharge-after-trying-to-stop-lesbian-officers-from-french-kissing-groping-158980
Who knows what really happened. I believe the Senior Officer said the conduct was not appropriate in public, regardless of sex; not just because it was two women. This of course, appears to have degenerated to EO related issues and discrimination.
Having been investigated by EO, the DAIG and the DOD IG, I can tell you for certain, these agencies get their Jollies by taking down, or trying to take down Senior Leaders/Officers. They also immediately assume the accused is guilty based on any allegation. Then, the position we are in, is guilty until we prove we are innocent.
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No. I do not feel it is "political correctness" at all, but rather a giant pissing contest where the stars on one collar beat the oak leafs on the other's collar.
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There are puppet strings being pulled on anyone this topic. The media is doing the best it can to rile us all up.
Since my jimmes are rustled, here's my take:
Assault is assault, as long as charges are pressed.
Military bearing has to be up-held, however, just to stir the wasp nest (us), The inappropriate couple go to the lengths of filing charges against, what I would assume is, a senior officer.
And for what? Because they can. Because they would have been repremanded otherwise. So, instead of their LOC or LOR, this upstanding member is facing discharge, they are coddled because "Hooray for gays" in our society, AND, they are not punished for their actions.
He probably didn't even bruise anyone, probably just nudged a guy and BAM! His life's work is hanging in the balance.
Since my jimmes are rustled, here's my take:
Assault is assault, as long as charges are pressed.
Military bearing has to be up-held, however, just to stir the wasp nest (us), The inappropriate couple go to the lengths of filing charges against, what I would assume is, a senior officer.
And for what? Because they can. Because they would have been repremanded otherwise. So, instead of their LOC or LOR, this upstanding member is facing discharge, they are coddled because "Hooray for gays" in our society, AND, they are not punished for their actions.
He probably didn't even bruise anyone, probably just nudged a guy and BAM! His life's work is hanging in the balance.
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Regardless of sexual preference, the best defense is a good offense. There are plenty of cases where PVT Dirty Bag and LT Idiot get in trouble but in order to avoid disciplinary action they file a complaint against the authority figure involved.
I would argue it has nothing to do with so called political correctness or "Hooray for gays". I would also argue that the interactions with the General have more to do with the fate of the LTC than what took place on the dance floor.
The 2LT was wrong. The CPT was wrong. The LTC was wrong in hitting the SPC. The senior person holds the greatest responsibility to be right.
The CPT is now out, but what is the status of the 2LT in the drama? All this talk of cameras and video but has anyone seen it for them self? Was intervention warranted? Was the LTC overly aggressive? Was the CSM out of line?
I would argue it has nothing to do with so called political correctness or "Hooray for gays". I would also argue that the interactions with the General have more to do with the fate of the LTC than what took place on the dance floor.
The 2LT was wrong. The CPT was wrong. The LTC was wrong in hitting the SPC. The senior person holds the greatest responsibility to be right.
The CPT is now out, but what is the status of the 2LT in the drama? All this talk of cameras and video but has anyone seen it for them self? Was intervention warranted? Was the LTC overly aggressive? Was the CSM out of line?
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A1C Gregory Beckham
Not much we can do from here but banter on our own opinions. We're all just repeating one another when it boils down to it.
No one was an adult in this situation. Let's learn from their example.
No one was an adult in this situation. Let's learn from their example.
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I think there were better ways he could have handled it without physically assaulting the one with the camera.
He could have confronted the one with the camera, had him delete the video and then confronted the two females and informed them that they are still in uniform.
No PDA in uniform regardless of gender, sexual orientation, etc. The only exception is when a servicemember is returning from a deployment in uniform (this exception has been documented formally by the military through ALARACT).
Does he deserve to be discharged? Not in my opinion. Letter of reprimand would have been sufficient.
He could have confronted the one with the camera, had him delete the video and then confronted the two females and informed them that they are still in uniform.
No PDA in uniform regardless of gender, sexual orientation, etc. The only exception is when a servicemember is returning from a deployment in uniform (this exception has been documented formally by the military through ALARACT).
Does he deserve to be discharged? Not in my opinion. Letter of reprimand would have been sufficient.
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SGT Joy Turpin
Did he actually physically assault anyone? All I see in the article is; he pushed a camera down, so a photo could not be taken. Did he physically touch the person holding the camera?
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Absolutely we are.....I think he did the right thing here and am guessing if it were a heterosexual couple and he did the same thing, nothing would have been said! But since it was a homosexual couple, it makes the press. Why do enforce acting professional and go after the couple who was out of control.
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