Posted on Mar 15, 2018
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My peers don't inforce standards and I know every person in a leadership role has talked about how undisciplined the soldier's are. That leaves me to be the "bulldog". I hate to be, but at times I feel like I have to. Now all the soldier's view me as a bitch because of this and I speak sternly (viewed by some as condescending) when verbally counseling. Mind you, I've lost my cool once.
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SGT Aric Lier
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its like this, with children yelling creates fear, abusive creates animosity ,and attitude creates hatred. these are your peers , the ones you hope will have your back right? so like any 3 yo you have to out think them.... if counseling explain what is wrong and ask what they think . then guide them to the right answer. they will still hold respect and feel like shit fo doing it
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MAJ Bn S1
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Sounds like you should keep doing what you are doing. Also make sure that when it comes time you use that strength to push up the chain as well so your Soldiers know that you are fighting for them. You need to make sure that you are enforcing the standards up the chain as well as down.
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SSgt Brett Ontiveros
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My advice to you would be to continue what you are doing. One day all of these undisciplined soldiers will understand what you are doing and why. Remember it’s always more honorable to stand fast and do what you know is right than to cave in to the ranks of the waivering
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SSG Byron Hewett
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CPL I have been in your shoes as a CPL and I retired as a SSG and here is some advice for you ... I don't know when you were promoted and I don't know when you entered military service so I don't know you length of service. you are at the low end of the NCO ladder, your soldiers and the way they act professionally or unprofessionally all depends on the bar you set and your expectations as their 1st line leader. CPLs are the back bone of the NCO corps they are the ones that make things happen in a timely manner they and do away with the hurry up and wait CPLs are a vital asset any where you got because they are above the E-4 mafia and the hardest working of all soldiers.
experience comes with time and hard work because your an NCO. there's a saying - there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners and trainers teaching bad habits.
So gather your soldiers up speak to them all, tell them your expectations and set the bar and put it on paper DA FORM 4856 Developmental Counseling Form. counseling them is not a bad thing this will not only help them better them selves but to also help develop your leadership skills. You are now a 1st line leader set the bar and set the standard. once you have set the bar and the standards of expectations you will see an improvement, remember you gotta crawl, then walk, then run, once you have got those 3 things accomplished then you can hit the ground running with your boots on, only you can determine how your going to accomplish the crawl walk run phases and its no different than how your Drill SGTs did it for you when you went to boot camp the same principal applies here, remember what they taught you at your NCO school WLC I think its called now it was PLDC in my time. So develop a plan of action.
if you talk to your 1st line leader they can mentor you and point you in the right directions but only you and your decisions can make you successful or not successful, but where you fail you need to learn from it and it only will help you to succeed later, because from everything you fail at and learn from gives you experience to succeed in being a better and more knowledgeable experienced leader.
Good luck you'll do great.
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MSG Student
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Enforce those standards, and make other NCOs enforce them. It's not personal, it's just good business.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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I was the most hated instructor in the Q-course. I had a job to do and did it very well. My students hated me but the leadership loved me. I slept well at night.
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LTC Jeff Shearer
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Sage standards are standards for a reason. I don't wrapped about some things but soldiering, warrior skills are top of the list. The bigger issue is when a guy starts crying that I am not a good garrison troop only a field troop. The first thing I think of is discipline, sounds like there is a lack of it. regardless of your job when things get tough, days get long and the bullets begin to fly if a person is not disciplined, jackasses become obvious. When I say jackasses I am referring to the undisciplined guys who cant maintain the standards.

You are dead on my friend keep on enforcing the standards
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MSG Charles Turner
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CPL Sage Thornberry,

Corporal,

If I may, I was once a Corporal when there was hardly any of us. The Unit I was assigned to at the time, a Combat Engineer Battalion had no Other Corporals. This alone made my Duty that much more of a Challenge. I would have Sergeants call me a "Want a Be" and Subordinates Just look at me when I gave instructions. Our Units had many Specialist (E-4 through E-6) and they Had to stand in my formation as I was the NCO and they were not. So the situation was a JR E-4, myself CPT Turner, had senior (and WISER) soldiers up through the grade of Spec 6 that I would be put in charge of for Accountability and Command and Control. These Specialist (some were STRIPES for SKILLS - Heavy Equipment Tradesmen and others Clerical Types) were none to impressed with Me. So this is all background info.

With that said, let me share with you what I learned. First off, "One Gathers more flies with Honey than Vinegar" - meaning Speak Respectfully when communicating, Remember although it is nice to be Friendly, NCOs purpose is not to be NICE - their PURPOSE is 2 FOLD to Lead and take care of the personnel in your Charge, and When all else fails (at it will from time to time .. IT Has for EVERYONE OF US) remember you are in charge and accountable to those soldiers and your superiors. If you need help go up the CHAIN and ASK for HELP... dont fail because of PRIDE or HUMILIATION!

Lastly I retired 24 Years ago on the 1st of April. I know alot has changed. But the NCO Corps is and always till be the BACK BONE OF THE ARMY. You as a Member of it Have to PROTECT IT and LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Your concern to ASK the QUESTION "Am and a bad NCO or just inexperienced" tells me the POSSIBILITY OF A GREAT NCO lies within. So NO, you are not a BAD NCO.... inexperience maybe but bad NCOs (called just Sergeants in my day) dont care. YOU CARE! YOU HAVE THE BASIC INGREDIENT OF A GREAT NCO!

Go LEAD, LEARN AND OVERCOME!

If I can be of ANY ASSISTANCE, PLEASE MESSAGE ME ANYTIME!




~ole Sarge~
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SCPO Investigator
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Yes.
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CW3 Jeff Held
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How is she a bad NCO?
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Maj Marty Hogan
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LTC Robin P.
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Are you maybe agreeing with some other response on here? What are you saying?
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Your leading snowflakes who thinkk the whole world should be fair, well life’s is not always fair. Do your job , period. That’s it, you do that and all’s well. Works anywhere, militarily or civilian, and you have to do what’s right.
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