Posted on May 5, 2015
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I've been working out for a long time and I find that I could use my morning PT sessions doing something more effective. What are your thoughts?

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I have had conversations on PRT more times that I care to remember. While I am not the Army's biggest advocate for the program, I am a senior leader within the Army's ranks and I execute it as an assigned mission, with the greatest level of energy that I can.

That said, I can tell you that I spent one and a half years as an AIT Company 1SG and one year as an ALC 1SG and we planned and executed PRT daily during my time with both units. Within my AIT company I designed the PRT plan and it was not only progressive and detailed but also filled with rigor. I did not allow Soldiers to just show up and meander through the workout. I literally got in the middle of formations and pushed myself and other Soldiers. At the NCOES I put more ownership of the program on my SGLs but again, I stayed plugged in and ensure the intensity was kept high.

The program is prescriptive but not intended to limit those developing and executing plans with it. It is too easy to say that the regulation limits us but in reality, it is often us, as leaders, that are limiting ourselves. If you are not getting a single thing out of any workouts within the program I would ask that you look to see what level of intensity you are putting into it. There are many Soldiers that need to supplement daily PRT to achieve individual fitness goals and that is to be expected. Remember, the Army is not designed to make everyone super, it is designed to get everyone to a certain level and maintain. Super is on the individual.
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MSG, I push all of my Soldiers to be super! If only half of them get there, at least they all tried. The main thing I dont like about PRT is that leaders seem to always be having to convince Soldiers that the program works. In my opinion, if it REALLY did work, the program would speak for itself!
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It is on the leaders, not the program. If you take the old 21-20 for instance, that was likely one of the most under utilized manuals out there. Leaders simply flipped to the annex covering the APFT and then just did whatever they wanted to for daily PT. I can tell you that I have never had a Soldier ask me during PRT if PRT worked. They were most generally too tired and winded. P/U S/U drills, 30-60s, 60-120s, in gear, out of gear, hills, foot marches...mix it all up and do not feel like you are selling anything. Just lead and get those Soldiers following.

Saying that the program should speak for itself is like saying the Army Promotion System is perfect and speaks for itself. The reality with any Army program is that they are not perfect but in the hands of the right leader, they will work. I think you are asking the right questions and do not fault you at all for your concerns. I just hope that you can find a way to make the program work for you and your Soldiers and keep the fire going.
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SGT Jon Mullins
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If everyone is super then no one is super.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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It's useless because no one is doing it right... There are FORSCOM units out there that are still doing 5 reps, and not deviating from 3 or 4 tables...
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I agree!
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I think that it should go back to the old style pt, I know that people say if you do it right that you get a good workout. But it seems like no-one is doing it right so that you can get a good workout.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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So do we educate our leaders or just throw away years of research? Personally, I'm never opposed to education..
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SSG McCoy just won the internet for the day..
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SFC Rapfeal Mayfield
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I don't think it's useless, but personally I do think i got more out of doing physical training the old way.
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SGT Jon Mullins
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I think MMA workouts and form lifting should find their way into PRT. Something needs to tuffen up the force.
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Am I the only one on here that thinks PRT is useless?
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PRT will smoke your bags if done correctly!! Like any other issue in the Army it is up to the NCOs to conduct the PRT session as described in FM 7-22. There is no "this is how I understand it" as the FM outlines how and what is supposed to be done.
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I just wish people could endorse PRT without having to add "if done correctly" or "if you do it right". That alone tells me that it doesn't REALLY stand on its own.
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Seeing how no one wants to read or adhere to FM 7-22, yet they want to complain that it doesn't work, I would still say "if done correctly" is about right. Instead of bitching about it some just need to suck it up and "do it right" so that they can pass that knowledge on to the young Soldieds we have in the formations.
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I was thinking about this this morning. We did prep drills, CD1&2, 4 for the core and recovery drills. I got NOTHING out of it. Maybe if it was the day before a PT test it would be fine but in a unit where people have low to failing PT scores I feel we could step it up. I'm used to high intensity work outs. Spartan work outs, tabatta etc. I understand PT is to sustain but if there's a plethora of over weight individuals that aren't improving...something should be ramped up.
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I agree that session sometimes need to be stepped up and what I have done that seems to work is split my session up. The Army says we have to do PRT so I will do that for 30 Min the switch into old school or even cross fit for the other 30-45 min.
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How many times must they make you go to the position of attention in one hour??
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SFC Kalili you couldn't be more right! I'd rather crawl away from a PT session than walk away saying "that was it?"
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SGT Jon Mullins
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Are you in a BSB?
Something to think about is thinning out the herd. You start at high intensity and see how many keep up, then you do a med-moderately intense workout and see who kept up. Now you know to do PT at a moderate-high intensity so you can build up from there.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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Prt is useless. There is no stretching or warming up of the joints. It sucks. Bring back PT. Calisthenics and buddy pt and ruck marching, football, basketball, handball!
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SGT Sergent, I'm not sure I understand your comment here. Are you advocating for Calisthenics, buddy PT and Ruck marches? If so, then PRT should be your best friend. Nearly everything there is a calisthenic or partner assisted/resisted. Some of those exercises are far more challenging than anything found in FM 21-20, but less likely to cause injury when performed improperly.

The preparatory drills are called dynamic stretches. This means they cause you to stretch through movement, not static. Static stretches done prior to exercise have been proven through multiple studies to limit, and in some cases even decrease, performance of a given exercise. If all you're doing is swinging your arms around like you're doing the "wave," then I'm certain you are wasting your time, but if you perform the exercises at a slow cadence, holding just a bit at each count, you'll find that with each repetition, you can stretch a little further than the last. Static stretching is for cooling down the body, it will never do jack to warm up a body.

Football, basketball and handball are also great, but have no place in a unit PT program. Almost every profile I have ever received happened from a sports related injury. Do it on your own time.
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I would have to disagree with you PRT is great if done correctly to sustain a level of fitness. It will not make you score a 300 on your APFT but it will allow you to sustain. If you want to improve you need to take time of your own to workout. It is designed to bring weaker Soldiers up and sustain the strrong ones. As we know pt is an individual responsibility.
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SFC Combatives Master Trainer
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I do that as well! But I think that those problems can and should be taken care of on unit time!
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Agreed and I make that time available for them as I assume you do.
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SFC Combatives Master Trainer
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That's what I make those guys, the ones that need it, do! Luckily, my 1SG supports it to the fullest!
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I guess I never look at PT as sustainable. I believe that we should always be improving, especially in the areas that we have the most control. Ie: physical fitness, education
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Unit PT is "sustainment" as opposed "development."

It's great to believe that everyone is locked on and will go out and knock out PT on their own, however somewhere between a minority and the vast majority will let OPTEMPO shift PT to a secondary concern over their normal role, and they need a semi-rigid PT schedule just to keep from losing what they gained.

But, you can't make advances in large groups. It's just not possible. You need to be in much smaller groups to get better, because you have to focus on individual weaknesses in order to do that.
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I agree! It's funny to see what becomes acceptable when unit OPTEMPO is high!
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I miss the old fashioned let NCO's lead the PT, memorizing tables and repeating is not leadership. I think we lost a lot more than just PT standards when we poorly implemented PRT.
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Great comment, sir! I believe that NCO's know their Soldiers best and should be allowed to do what is needed to get them to exceed the standard that the Army puts in front of us.
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Also it's a developmental thing for the junior NCO. Leading PT is where this Sergeant learned to take charge. you just don't get the same experience when you (read off) the PRT table. PT plans, backbriefs to the PSG/1SG those were invaluable to me as a junior NCO.
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Try the card game....every suit is assigned an excercise. Aces are 15, face cards 10, rest of cards are face value. Shuffle the cards and start flipping! Keep the jokers in the deck...when they come up that is 15 points plus whatever the next card is....I promise this will give you a good cardio and physical workout! Happy sweating!
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Figuring out what to do with my PT time is not the problem. For me, the problem exist in having to do something that I dont think is worth that time.
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