Posted on Jan 18, 2014
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<p>I think we can all agree that having a college degree is pretty important in this day age, whether you stay in or not. Is anyone else running into the issue of units preaching the importance of college and taking college but gives no time for it? I know I had Soldiers that want to take courses but don't want to do the online option because they learn and retain better in a classroom environment. I think getting an online degree is the only real feasible way to complete college and I try to preach it to my Soldiers. I myself take online courses and have a hard time keeping up with stuff I have to do at work and the stuff I have to do when I get home with the family. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what can be done to help Soldiers get time to do college?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>(For my command that might read this, this is just a broad question. I have encountered it before and hear Soldiers talk about it all the time.)</p>
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tl;dr - bite the bullet and do it online, we're stuck with doing this on our own time because someone is paying us for the duty day.

The question is:  Why are you trying to go to college?

If you want to be an officer, go Green to Gold even if you already have a two year degree.  That really solves that problem.

If you want to get ahead on the enlisted side, consider this:  DA PAM 600-25 recommends an Associates by the time you hit Staff Sergeant.  Depending on your MOS, that is anywhere from 7 to 12 years.  The full Bachelor's degree isn't a requirement until Master Sergeant.  Get each requirement done one grade level prior to the requirement and you're golden.

The brick and mortar college option is only open for after duty hours unless your unit gives you a reenlistment incentive for physical classes.  Honestly, do you think it's fair for Uncle Sam to pay us so nicely and then give us the option of taking off from work so we can enrich ourselves and increase promotion potential?

While online college sounds easy, it really isn't.  Attending classes in person is little different from doing it on your own at home when it comes to the time invested and self-discipline.  
It only gets harder the longer you wait.  I was able to do classwork and study during duty hours as a Specialist if I got everything else done.  It was easy with a six day schedule in Iraq as a Sergeant.  However, being a Staff Sergeant and having a child in garrison made it an exercise in missing sleep and spending every free hour on the weekends staying up to date on three or four classes at a time so I could push through and finish my degree before things got out-of-hand.
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SGM Command Sergeant Major
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When I joined the Military, there was not a true education system in place for the enlisted.  eArmyU and GoArmyEd did not come about until 2001.  Personally I am a huge advocate for our Soldiers continuing to educate themselves.  All my NCOs must be enrolled in two correspondence course or one civilian education course. 

That being said, not all Soldiers have the aptitude nor desire to strive for a AA or BA degree.  Many Soldiers are better with their hands.  We have to look at technical certification as a viable lifelong learning opportunity.  That is why I make it a civilian education course, rather than a course towards a college degree. 

I sit down with all my NCOs and any Soldier that wants a path and I help them figure out how to get there.  I also let them know upfront that they are paid to be Infantrymen, not college students.  It took me ten years to get my bachelors, and I am currently on my third year of working on my Masters.  The military comes first.  They have to be able to do online courses so it does not interfer with military duties. 

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I definitely push my Soldiers to explore their educational option. Many I have helped find good online programs from reputable schools so that they may continue to maintain their full-time job and support their family while furthering their education. It is strange that many Soldiers have not been educated on how they can use their benefits. At one of my previous units, we had a Soldier who did not realized that their TA and GI Bill could be used to gain aviation certifications. While these benefits are utilized as recruitment tools by recruiters, it seems that many of us leaders do not help reinforce these benefits. College is not for everyone, but that does not mean that their benefits should sit stagnant if they have other goals where self-development can help them.

 

I started down the path to earning a MBA. However, since I branched Engineer, I feel a need to become more technically education. Due to this, I am currently working on a MS in Construction Management. I also hope to be able to utilize the concurrent Masters program while at ECCC to earn a second MS in Geological Engineering. In this field, I feel that having a certain degree of technical competency and knowledge will go a long way torward some goals that I have set for myself as an Officer. Who knows....maybe I will get to teach at West Point someday.

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CMSgt James Nolan
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SSG (Join to see) Going to school online, while working a full time career that has crazy hours, coupled with still serving=CRAZINESS, but it has to be done (well not really, but I WANT it to be done). Today, the degree is more important than ever if you want to compete for advancement and opportunities. I push it. Online is the way to go. I would rather go in person, but there is no way to get it done. That is the case for the majority of our audience here. I preach to go after it, however you can, because if you do not, others will.
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When I was working on my MBA I stayed up many nights for a couple of hours after putting my kids to bed. Jobs aren't going to let you schedule work around school, so if you want it while you are in, online is the way to go. It sucks for a couple of years, but pays off in the end!
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Good evening everyone. I am at the end of my career in 20 months. I am on shore duty and only two of us are working on our degrees with a command of 12. Its funny because me and the other guy an E-5 both graduated in August of last year with our Bachelor's and both are working on Master's Degrees. As the command LPO I have to practice what I tell my subordinates. I also have to manage my time with the family and my course work load. It can be done, you just may have to lose a little sleep, eat lunch while reading/writing a paper. Its all about time management.
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TSgt Kevin Buccola
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Early in my career I signed up for many classes and then with deployments etc I had to withdraw. My transcript was filled with W's and I's. I still found the time to complete. Once I realized I should only take 1 class at a time it was better. It took me 5 years to complete the BA. With all the CLEP and DANTES test that are available now you can knock it out a lot quicker.

As for preaching Education - yes any supervisor or anyone should preach the importance of training and education - but to give you time to do it - depends on the mission. I have worked with young Airmen around their schedules so they could go to classes during the day. Again depends on the mission and we are all adults - you have to plan your education.
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Education should be a priority, but it has to be a priority to not only the Soldier to get the time off from his command for class, but also to achieve the proper grades in the class.
One of the ways that I have see it worked best, is that your above average performers are given education incentives and the understanding that as long as they continue to perform in the top whatever you want to make it percentage they can get a certain ammount of time per week to attend class. Also with the understanding that the command gets to see their grades and if those aren't up to whatever you want to make the standards than they lose the additional time for classwork.
I know it sounds barbaric to hold people accountable, but it worked and worked well.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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SSG Michael, 

Like in any project, there needs to be a project champion to back you up in your endeavors. Go ahead and wire-in the college script or path for PFC Snuffy. Record your steps and Train the Trainer at NCOPD or Town Hall which ever. Do not let the status quo stop you from succeeding as a leader and change agent. Maybe its time to wire-in college in the enlisted career path. 

Remember, officers CMF are wired in for college and enlisted CMFs are not. So what is the desired outcome for enlisted college path? To better prepare for a competitive advantage on the outside...civilian world? Hmmm...sounds fair deal with all these proposed drawdowns, RIFs and cutbacks. 


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One of the biggest extras I push Soldiers to do is work on their college education.  I also practice what I preach, because I did not follow this advice for many years after joining the Army.  It took me three years of being in to finally step foot into an education center.  Now I have completed an Associates, Bachelors, and am working on my Masters!  Times are getting tough, and with the Army downsizing, promotions and retention will get more competitive.  I strongly believe that civilian education is a very effective, and inexpensive way to stand out from your peers!
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