Posted on Jun 28, 2016
Anybody have great tips on landing a federal position?
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Your resume must be detailed (mine is 10 pages, documenting 25 years), it's a wordsmith game to achieve certification followed by a selection panel review to score against other candidates. Leverage USAjobs position description to augment your word picture in resume. Finally, work to get an advocate inside organization to which are applying, that will help increase chances for interview. Good luck!
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My wife got a program manager GS-13 position after she left the Army as a Captain. I've posted some tips before for getting a GS job, but surprisingly people on here always claim that I'm wrong and don't understand the system. As such, if you want any advice just send me a message.
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Design your resume like a Federal Resume should be done, with keywords straight from the job description.
It also helps to know people, as many jobs are filled before they are posted.
It also helps to know people, as many jobs are filled before they are posted.
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A few thoughts, not necessarily in order of precedence. 1) Know the gaps. What are the trending areas for job growth in career areas you are interested in? Do they match what you want to do and where you want to locate? What's your trade space? 2) Network. LinkedIn and other military sponsored or friendly sites can help you start your network. 3) In deference to the comment on a contractor position as an interim step, there are a number of firms that are military friendly, i.e Booz Hamilton where I got my second career start. 4) Overseas posts are hard to fill and they do pay COLA. If you don't mind living overseas this could be your opening. After a few years you can look to transfer to CONUS, but will now have GS status and priority placement. 5) Regarding USAJobs, do yourself a big favor. Copy your questions and responses to a running master word doc you can pull from later. You will find that very similar or identical questions are asked on different job position applications. You can cut paste your new responses in and tailor from there. 6) Always tailor your resume and cover letter. Make sure they speak directly to the Knowledge, Skills and Abilities (KSA) of the job. There is no one size fits all resume. 7) Make sure you get help translating military skills and jargon int recognizable language, Good advice for being hired for a contractor or the GOV. If the average Joe can't understand it, then it's wasted personal marketing space. 8) I am very sorry to say this, but no one owes you a job (it happens to all of who have proudly served). You will have to work for it. Your number one job upon transition is getting your next job.
Good hunting and contact me if interested in SoCal.
S/f W
Good hunting and contact me if interested in SoCal.
S/f W
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Have an appropriate level clearance for the job. Have a real degree, often online colleges are laughed at (as my cousin inva high level state dept job recently informed me). Have a professional resume, if you really want the job pay a professional to prepare it for you. Do not use military terms, instead choose words like "projects" instead of "missions". Apply for jobs that require a lot of travel to get your foot in the door and get experience. Know a second language and look for jobs that need someone fluent in it.
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Thoroughly read the job announcement. Tailor your resume to every job announcement. Make sure you talk to everything in the how you are evaluated section as well as the questionnaire. Also, don't take the questions literally. If you have done something quite similar that you are an expert about say you are an expert. Generally, you don't want to mark anything other than expert if you can avoid it. Don't lie, but most times if you break out what you actually did to the overarching concepts, you can qualify for a lot more. Also, translate military terms in to generic civilian terms. Even if you are applying as a civilian to one of the military services, do not assume that the selecting official was in the military.
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CDR Derek Reeves, from your profile I see you already have a private sector job with a good company. I suggest you carefully evaluate the need to move to a government job. I made that move and was very glad I did, but not everybody is as fortunate as I was in finding a government job that's a good fit with their skills, abilities, and aspirations.
Best way to find a government job is USAJOBS. You may be able to get some leads on government jobs through networking, but the application process almost always goes through USAJOBS. Networking is important because it may help you understand the environment in which the job exists and any unwritten requirements.
Here's my tips to Federal Government job seekers based on my experience as an Army Civilian and a hiring manager:
-Read the job announcement carefully. You may not be eligible for some jobs, so don't waste your time applying. If the job is for current employees of agency XX or requires a PhD in physics then you may not be qualified. (Be careful about education requirements because you can substitute experience sometimes.)
-Make a list of the key words in the announcement. Words that appear repeatedly that define qualifications are key and the automated resume screening systems may be set to look for them.
Examples of key words: management, project, communication, Army, degree, engineer, transportation
-Construct a chronological resume for each job application. Include the key words from the announcement in your resume often.
-Show job responsibilities and accomplishments
-Spell check the résumé, then read it backwards to catch the words the spell checker won't
-You can use some jargon and a few acronyms (spell out first time used) if you are applying to an agency that deals with your functional area or the Navy frequently
-Be persistent. If you want to work for a certain agency or in a certain area, then apply for as many jobs in as many different grades and specialties as meet your minimum requirements and you might be qualified for.
-As a retired O-5, the veterans preference isn't a deciding factor for you. It may not be applied at all because of your retired grade. (Read the info on USAJOBS.)
-If you find a "dream job" at a lower pay grade than you want, apply for it anyway. It can be a gateway into the organization or location. Your chances of getting a job in a higher grade is greater if you're on the inside.
Search my responses to similar previous questions for more information.
Best way to find a government job is USAJOBS. You may be able to get some leads on government jobs through networking, but the application process almost always goes through USAJOBS. Networking is important because it may help you understand the environment in which the job exists and any unwritten requirements.
Here's my tips to Federal Government job seekers based on my experience as an Army Civilian and a hiring manager:
-Read the job announcement carefully. You may not be eligible for some jobs, so don't waste your time applying. If the job is for current employees of agency XX or requires a PhD in physics then you may not be qualified. (Be careful about education requirements because you can substitute experience sometimes.)
-Make a list of the key words in the announcement. Words that appear repeatedly that define qualifications are key and the automated resume screening systems may be set to look for them.
Examples of key words: management, project, communication, Army, degree, engineer, transportation
-Construct a chronological resume for each job application. Include the key words from the announcement in your resume often.
-Show job responsibilities and accomplishments
-Spell check the résumé, then read it backwards to catch the words the spell checker won't
-You can use some jargon and a few acronyms (spell out first time used) if you are applying to an agency that deals with your functional area or the Navy frequently
-Be persistent. If you want to work for a certain agency or in a certain area, then apply for as many jobs in as many different grades and specialties as meet your minimum requirements and you might be qualified for.
-As a retired O-5, the veterans preference isn't a deciding factor for you. It may not be applied at all because of your retired grade. (Read the info on USAJOBS.)
-If you find a "dream job" at a lower pay grade than you want, apply for it anyway. It can be a gateway into the organization or location. Your chances of getting a job in a higher grade is greater if you're on the inside.
Search my responses to similar previous questions for more information.
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Cpl Kevin Osborne
I have spent over 30 hours crafting my resumes for USAJobs, but what has made the biggest impact was identifying an overlooked comment towards the bottom of the job announcement. Now there is an expandable list, click on the one that says, "How To Apply". Go to the bottom of that and you will see, "To Preview Questions Please Click Here"! Following this direction with my resumes has had a significant impact on the amount of positions that I have been referred for.
Prior to discovering this I had actually done a keyword count to identify how many times my resume mentioned each term identified as important in the announcement. Thankfully, one of the positions that I applied for had a very courteous HR professional that laughed and said I did not need to do that any more.
For any resume you want to ensure that your bullets provide a clear understanding of how you did provide benefit to your former employer. Quantify the impact that you had. I will give you an example:
Redesigned the supply chain management system, which resulted in an 87% operational efficiency improvement and 13% cost savings over previous model. This resulted in a realized cost savings of over $120,000.
Responsible for managing warehouse with over 3 Million in home theater and speaker equipment.
At my previous employer I was told that I made the worst mistake in the Government; I did not negotiate my pay before I started! Perhaps you cannot raise your steps by more than a few, but do you have student loans? Some organizations have capital that can be used to buy those down in exchange for a certain number of years of service.
Prior to discovering this I had actually done a keyword count to identify how many times my resume mentioned each term identified as important in the announcement. Thankfully, one of the positions that I applied for had a very courteous HR professional that laughed and said I did not need to do that any more.
For any resume you want to ensure that your bullets provide a clear understanding of how you did provide benefit to your former employer. Quantify the impact that you had. I will give you an example:
Redesigned the supply chain management system, which resulted in an 87% operational efficiency improvement and 13% cost savings over previous model. This resulted in a realized cost savings of over $120,000.
Responsible for managing warehouse with over 3 Million in home theater and speaker equipment.
At my previous employer I was told that I made the worst mistake in the Government; I did not negotiate my pay before I started! Perhaps you cannot raise your steps by more than a few, but do you have student loans? Some organizations have capital that can be used to buy those down in exchange for a certain number of years of service.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
Cpl Kevin Osborne, great advice. Very good example of a resume statement. I didn't mention negotiating salary. I was able to do this by simply telling my prospective boss that I couldn't come to work for a cut in pay. He asked me for a pay statement, which I provided. He worked with the G1 and I was hired on at Step 8, closely matching my salary from my private sector employer.
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What position title are you looking for specifically? Is there an agency you have in mind?
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CDR Derek Reeves
I've looked at a variety of agencies, but mostly the VA and DHS, as they seem to have the most positions in the DFW area. I was looking internationally for a while, but my wife and I have settled on staying in our current area. I've been looking mostly for project/program management/analyst positions, thanks.
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These are the emails I quite often receive regarding my applications:
"Your application for the above referenced position has been received and processed.
Although you were considered among our best qualified candidates and your application was referred to the selecting official for further consideration, we regret to inform you that you were not selected for the position."
Almost perfectly timed for this discussion, I received this notice about 20 minutes ago, lol. This position closed in December 2015, and I had to ping the POC several times, with the latest being about a week and a half ago. Anyway, I hope everyone has a pleasant and relaxing 4th!
"Your application for the above referenced position has been received and processed.
Although you were considered among our best qualified candidates and your application was referred to the selecting official for further consideration, we regret to inform you that you were not selected for the position."
Almost perfectly timed for this discussion, I received this notice about 20 minutes ago, lol. This position closed in December 2015, and I had to ping the POC several times, with the latest being about a week and a half ago. Anyway, I hope everyone has a pleasant and relaxing 4th!
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Cpl Kevin Osborne
I wrote a book up above, but don't get discouraged. Seek agencies that are looking to hire Service Connect Veterans, I think Health and Human Services was one and National Program and Protection Directorate was another. Agencies have personnel devoted to working with Disabled Vets. Get a Schedule A Letter from the VA Hospital, this is another type of appointment that an agency can use to hire from.
Before making the adjustments to my resume mentioned above I had applied for over 100 positions through an Army website; I was referred to hiring official for over 25, but never heard a word on any of them! A few years ago I was listed as Best Qualified out of 160 applicants and the agency had six positions open. I followed up a few month later, explaining to HR that the cert was going to expire soon. The cert had closed; the agency hired one person and cancelled the rest of the openings!
Before making the adjustments to my resume mentioned above I had applied for over 100 positions through an Army website; I was referred to hiring official for over 25, but never heard a word on any of them! A few years ago I was listed as Best Qualified out of 160 applicants and the agency had six positions open. I followed up a few month later, explaining to HR that the cert was going to expire soon. The cert had closed; the agency hired one person and cancelled the rest of the openings!
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Thanks to all for the comments. I have been searching for a position in the Federal Gov’t for about a year now, and I’ve tooled and re-tooled my resume. I used the Federal Resume writing guide for tailoring tips, and I have basically married up my resume to the individual announcement on a case by case basis. I’m also rated above 30%, so even though I retired as an O-5, I am still eligible for the 10 pts. Where I’ve been getting hung-up is at the referral stage in the process. Specifically for my case, I got pass the initial wickets, but never seem to get contacted, and I even have some jobs that closed in October that I was referred to that haven’t updated their status. Back in 2008, when I was the hiring authority for some positions, there seemed to be defined rules on the process to promote transparency, but I guess that varies from organization to organization. I’m fortunate to have a contractor position now, and I’ve been getting steady pings on my LinkedIn profile, but I was just curious as to what others are experiencing, in a constructive and productive way.
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SPC Paul Jennings, J.D.
CDR Derek Reeves -Are you primarily applying for merit promotion positions, that is, those that only consider status candidates versus open to all US citizens?
The reason I ask is that Vet Preference does very little for merit promotion positions. Whereas in a DEU (open to all US citizens) position 30% Disabled Vet Pref jumps you to the top of the list where you only compete against other 30% disabled vets, under merit promotion Veterans preference only guarantees you a right to apply for the job. To counter this, sometimes it's worthwhile to throw the net a little wider to try and find more positions where Vet Pref truly applies.
The reason I ask is that Vet Preference does very little for merit promotion positions. Whereas in a DEU (open to all US citizens) position 30% Disabled Vet Pref jumps you to the top of the list where you only compete against other 30% disabled vets, under merit promotion Veterans preference only guarantees you a right to apply for the job. To counter this, sometimes it's worthwhile to throw the net a little wider to try and find more positions where Vet Pref truly applies.
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CDR Derek Reeves
I've applied to a variety, but most have been VEOA eligible. I actually have 2 DEUs opened and they are the ones that are closing in on a year since the position closed. Well, all of this might change soon with something permanent looking to be lined up. Thanks.
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