Posted on Sep 5, 2019
Anyone have good corrective training for a lost CAC?
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I have a few ideas, but I was wondering if anyone had any great ideas that are effective (and unusual) that will hit home the importance of not losing the CAC.
CAC
Corrective Training
Counseling
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How about as a first step you speak with a soldier and find out what happened
Does this soldier lose property often?
Or is this just something that happens to everybody whether it’s a set of car keys that falls out of your pocket your wallet comes out of a backpack when the zipper broke or just your plain old garden-variety a couple of times and just about everybody’s life you left something where you should not and when you went back it was gone
Collective training is used to alter behavior perhaps find out if there’s a behavior that needs to be altered before you solicit inventive ways to punish under the guise of correct of training
Most soldiers generally want to do good most soldiers when they make a mistake dislike in the selves for having made the mistake
Perhaps you’ve done all of that if so and you still feel the soldier needs correct of training to fully grasp the requirement to maintain positive control of an ID card
Then by all means take it vantage of something non-punitive reasonable in duration to push the point home
Does this soldier lose property often?
Or is this just something that happens to everybody whether it’s a set of car keys that falls out of your pocket your wallet comes out of a backpack when the zipper broke or just your plain old garden-variety a couple of times and just about everybody’s life you left something where you should not and when you went back it was gone
Collective training is used to alter behavior perhaps find out if there’s a behavior that needs to be altered before you solicit inventive ways to punish under the guise of correct of training
Most soldiers generally want to do good most soldiers when they make a mistake dislike in the selves for having made the mistake
Perhaps you’ve done all of that if so and you still feel the soldier needs correct of training to fully grasp the requirement to maintain positive control of an ID card
Then by all means take it vantage of something non-punitive reasonable in duration to push the point home
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Ok great so you looked before you jumped. Well done
So the task is reinforcing the issue while walking the line for it to be irritating but not punishment.
I’d make it simple
Counseling session the details requirements and expectations and recommended actions if he should lose it again
And then the task condition and standards for his retraining.
All the NCOs In the platoon, every time he passes within “greeting of the day” distance the NCO says
Marquez, do you know where your ID is?
At which time Marquez is required to acknowledge the NCO with the greeting of the day and state his ID card is in his (where ever he wants to keep it) he then must remove and show, then stow the is card. Then stating Sgt my ID card is secured after it is put away.
Ok great so you looked before you jumped. Well done
So the task is reinforcing the issue while walking the line for it to be irritating but not punishment.
I’d make it simple
Counseling session the details requirements and expectations and recommended actions if he should lose it again
And then the task condition and standards for his retraining.
All the NCOs In the platoon, every time he passes within “greeting of the day” distance the NCO says
Marquez, do you know where your ID is?
At which time Marquez is required to acknowledge the NCO with the greeting of the day and state his ID card is in his (where ever he wants to keep it) he then must remove and show, then stow the is card. Then stating Sgt my ID card is secured after it is put away.
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SPC Nancy Greene
I am of the opinion ‘do what YOU need to do’ to correct and prevent further incidents .MSG (Join to see)
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SGM Erik Marquez
SPC Nancy Greene
OK good suggestion
So you specifically what would make an impact on modifying your behavior in this type of situation?
No matter what the answer is the point of my statement is that it’s different for every soldier
Some you can just look at and say really don’t do that again and it won’t happen again
Others you can play silly games with but it makes an impression and they realize they don’t wanna do it again so they plan better not to lose the ID card
And I’ll likely no longer acceptable there are some that won’t respond to verbal or other administrative type things but would respond very well to being ordered to run to the motor pool and display ID card to the motor sergeant who would then tell him run to the commo shop where he would display his ID card to the Sgt, Who would tell Him run to The PAC office and show his ID card to the Sgt, who would tell him run in place until a NCO from the battalion comes in and show him your ID card, who would tell him to run to..........ect ect ect
And once he pukes, send him to the medics and have the medic that needs the practice the most start an IV ( sticking as many times as needed under the supervision of the PA)
Once rehydrated explain this was just fun next time it’s gonna hurt
And that sold or will never lose his ID card again his pants his weapon maybe even his Bradley but not his ID card
OK good suggestion
So you specifically what would make an impact on modifying your behavior in this type of situation?
No matter what the answer is the point of my statement is that it’s different for every soldier
Some you can just look at and say really don’t do that again and it won’t happen again
Others you can play silly games with but it makes an impression and they realize they don’t wanna do it again so they plan better not to lose the ID card
And I’ll likely no longer acceptable there are some that won’t respond to verbal or other administrative type things but would respond very well to being ordered to run to the motor pool and display ID card to the motor sergeant who would then tell him run to the commo shop where he would display his ID card to the Sgt, Who would tell Him run to The PAC office and show his ID card to the Sgt, who would tell him run in place until a NCO from the battalion comes in and show him your ID card, who would tell him to run to..........ect ect ect
And once he pukes, send him to the medics and have the medic that needs the practice the most start an IV ( sticking as many times as needed under the supervision of the PA)
Once rehydrated explain this was just fun next time it’s gonna hurt
And that sold or will never lose his ID card again his pants his weapon maybe even his Bradley but not his ID card
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Punishment is an often overlooked corrective method. However unpleasant, it is superior to non-judicial punishment for reasonably minor infractions.
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I would have that Soldier report to you and/or CQ every day once before PT, once at Lunch, once at COB formation and again during the day (even on weekends) for a few days. It may not be that "unusal" but let's face it, nothing impacts a Soldier more than taking their time to do something so "dumb" as to present your ID Card to someone.
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SGT Ben Keen
LCDR T.J. Smith - I had some pretty good success with that sort of corrective action before. Troops don't want to give up their time to present themselves for inspection on a weekend. After a couple of days, the Soldier will realize the cost of forgetting something. If they repeat you extend the day and if he happens a third time you go for something more painful.
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I would say after the new cac is issued have the machine shop make a CAC looking brick with the saying "I lost my CAC" and have the soldier wear it around his or her neck for a week.
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on the spot inspections. every time an NCO walks by the individual has to show them there CAC. or you can take a page from WOCS and have them write a 500 word memorandum for record on college ruled paper and black pen that way every time they make a mistake they have to start over. But that will make you do some work too. You have to make sure all the spacing is correct along with spelling and punctuation. I think it will set in after having to do it 3 or 4 times..
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This and have them complete a 2162 inventorying the item every three hours for a weekend if it were habitual repeat offense. If it’s happened more than three times, is he selling them? CID?
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Back in my enlisted days (late 80s - mid 90s) they would make you carry a poster board sized “replica” of your ID card or meal card around for a while, complete with cartoonized facsimile of your face.
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A soldier forgot their boots at home, so our Squad Leader had them grab them but instead of wear it, walk around our BA weekend with the laces tied together and draped around his shoulders and neck. Sure it's not the CAC but it's an enjoyable memory.
I would personally fashion a sling for the CAC and have it issued to the soldier with a hand receipt, and have the soldier walk around with it at the low ready all day. Treat it like his rifle. Good luck losing that.
I would personally fashion a sling for the CAC and have it issued to the soldier with a hand receipt, and have the soldier walk around with it at the low ready all day. Treat it like his rifle. Good luck losing that.
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Unless it’s someone who has lost their CAC repeatedly then I would think a nice “hey soldier you need to keep your property maintained and secured especially something so important for security purposes. Next time it won’t just be a friendly heads up”.
Everyone makes mistakes. Usually getting your tail chewed by a higher rank is enough to wake most people up.
Now if this is someone who this is a habitual issue with then I’d say do something interesting and memorable.
Everyone makes mistakes. Usually getting your tail chewed by a higher rank is enough to wake most people up.
Now if this is someone who this is a habitual issue with then I’d say do something interesting and memorable.
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OH.. when you give it back put some clear tap over the chip.. that way he cannot login or do anything with it till you deem to tell him or he gets a new one. This is a classic one where I used to work.. drives them nuts
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