Posted on Apr 9, 2014
CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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This has always been a pet peeve of mine.  We form up in full Winter APFUs because it's friggin cold outside, and the 1SG tells us to take our pants off. WHY? It's COLD!

Am I the only person in the military who gets cold when my legs are exposed to cold air and wind? We usually just stand there waiting for who knows what to start the formation usually after it was supposed to begin. I once had to take an APFT at Ft. Huachuca while it was 30° with a really cold wind. We had to take off our pants for that one. Too cold. Way too cold. Am I just bitching? Is this because I am a Floridian?

All I really want to know is why do senior NCOs make this call? Can't we take the pants off when we actually start PT?
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MSgt William Patrick
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I know you guys are going to laugh at the Air Force guy making comments about PT, but I worked with Joint SOF for many years so I have some credibility here. When I first started training with Operators in a Joint environment I said, "It's pouring rain! We're not seriously going to run in that, are we!?" Then I said, "It's 10 degrees out there and there's two feet of snow! We can't possibly do a 5K and 100 pushups!" Needless to say I got up close and personal with things like cold, heat, rain, snow, mud, and dirt on a level that I never conceived of in my younger days. Words like NOT, CAN'T, WON'T, and IMPOSSIBLE started to fade away and somehow I found myself looking forward to the rain and hoping for a freezing morning because it felt AWESOME. Mind you, it felt even more awesome when it was over, but that's like double-awesome. For me, military service was about doing things I never thought I was capable of, and little things like being cold are the baby steps that get you there. We are the greatest military on Earth for a reason. You guys are awesome, KEEP BEING AWESOME!

Also, Google Wim Hof...
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SSG George Mathewson
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APFUs. What the .... We wore our fatigues and combat boots and ran in the cold.... Germany cold cold. Then in Korea get real. Get tough. No complaining set the example. Go Army
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SFC Scott Parkhurst
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As a MFT this shocks me. This can do damage to your muscles if your exposed to to much cold for long periods of time. And don't forget that each person is different. Some can handle it for longer time periods then other's. If you and or I don't care for it then we shouldn't have to be in shorts. Now for testing purposes, the APFT shirt is required because we need to see that your chest is nearing the mat and your elbows are bending. Also I lik to see that your doing a correct sit-up. Some folks even get over heated when wearing the full sweatsuit. Some "higher NCO's" want uniformity in formation so they want everyone to either wear pants or no pants/jackets. Wrong answer. I allowed what ever you wanted cause I didn't want any injuries!
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SSG Robin Nixon
SSG Robin Nixon
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Good job! You are a smart person! Every person is different.
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SFC Scott Parkhurst
SFC Scott Parkhurst
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Ah man, now you ruined my image...LoL! Yes, it's so hard to "tell" some that people are different then them and not everyone can handle extreme cold and or heat. I went through both training and I would be a total idiot to put myself in harms way to prove a point....Rules can and should be bent.
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SSG Chris Morrison
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I always thought the same thing until I had the option and ran in full PT's. Regretted it immediately. Pants are like sails hot and heavy. The real question is why can't you put your hood up on your gortex when it's raining
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CW4 Angel C.
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Well since you brought it up yes it sounds like you're bitching! I don't know your Army upbringing but if you weren't a high speed NCO maybe you can be a high speed WO and leader! Cmon brother really?
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1SG Transportation Senior Sergeant
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As a 1SG the only time I make them off in formation is if one Soldier isn't wearing them to keep what we use to call uniformity I make everyone take them off.
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SGT Michael Root
SGT Michael Root
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Conveniently also providing a lot of peer pressure to help the one soldier remember the next time. lol
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SSG Robin Nixon
SSG Robin Nixon
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No make him put them on!
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LCpl Wayne Sisco
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Just another element that helped affect readiness. Being acclimated to such stressors only advances ones ability to tuff it out on down the road. Instead of having to pack on the clothes which would cause you to over heat if your really giving it all you got. Only goes to help ease the stress if your already acclimated to it.
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PV2 Unmanned Aircraft Systems Operator
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First problem is you were at Huachuca
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SPC David Willis
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Forgive my ignorance but I didn't realize people could make Chiefs do anything they didn't want to :P
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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I was an NCO at the time of the referred incident.
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SPC David Willis
SPC David Willis
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Ah haha makes more sense.
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Wait...a CW2 is in formation....doing pt?????

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