Posted on Sep 9, 2015
Are fake disabilities affecting other Veterans?
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So I met this guy the other day that is a gym buddy of our kids (20 and 17 year old). Obviously I don't know the entire story but he is 100% disabled for hearing and his back. The moment I met him I wanted to call bullshit. He walked in our home looking like a cartoon superhero and started talking about his workout. He does parkour, and extreme weight lifting. And has since he was in and now that he is out. That immediately raise a flag of bullshit beyond him explaining to us his philosophy on working out and people. He also started to go into his time as a leader in the Air Force...he got out as a E4. I quickly identified him as "that guy". So anyways.
I live in constant pain from protruding disc in my neck. It is intensified by any variety of things but mostly just doing shit. I have days where I literally just want to lay in bed with my percocet in hand and try and numb myself to feel a little normal again and other where it just feels like some one is punching me over and over. I am 50% broken. I don't claim to be more or less broken than I am and don't really care that much about how broken I am I just avoid doing stuff that makes it a percocet day.
So my questions are this;
People that may or may not be using the system are they really hurting the system?
Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?
I live in constant pain from protruding disc in my neck. It is intensified by any variety of things but mostly just doing shit. I have days where I literally just want to lay in bed with my percocet in hand and try and numb myself to feel a little normal again and other where it just feels like some one is punching me over and over. I am 50% broken. I don't claim to be more or less broken than I am and don't really care that much about how broken I am I just avoid doing stuff that makes it a percocet day.
So my questions are this;
People that may or may not be using the system are they really hurting the system?
Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?
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My answer is yes. I work for a defense contractor and God bless em, they hire a lot of vets & retirees but I have noticed over the past 5-6 years especially that there are certainly too many DV Commandos out here and most of them, sleep apnea and minor aches and pains. Then there are the older fellows (like me) who spent years as flyers or tactical and are pretty much broken down (some from normal wear & tear) but others from years of banging on the body while AD and we do chuckle as we have our maybe 20% while the late 30-40 ish are at 50-60 percent because they snore or had knee surgery while on AD from too much racket ball. I listen to AD and recent retired troops today and all you hear is how they seem to automatically calculate X-$'s into their anticipated retirement check as if it is all a big joke.
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PO1 John Miller
MSgt Wayne Morris
Sleep apnea isn't just snoring. Snoring is a side effect of it. Apnea, particularly the obstructive variety, means that people who suffer from it stop breathing while asleep. Breathing is a pretty important function.
Sleep apnea isn't just snoring. Snoring is a side effect of it. Apnea, particularly the obstructive variety, means that people who suffer from it stop breathing while asleep. Breathing is a pretty important function.
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PO1 John Miller
Sgt Gus Laskaris
Are you an ear, nose, and throat specialist? Because I was told by all my doctors that sleep deprivation and odd sleeping patterns is what caused my own sleep apnea.
Are you an ear, nose, and throat specialist? Because I was told by all my doctors that sleep deprivation and odd sleeping patterns is what caused my own sleep apnea.
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PO1 John Miller
Sgt Gus Laskaris
Yes my doctors are VA doctors. You're also right that obstructive sleep apnea is treatable. But until the VA can provide me with a CPAP alternative (I can't sleep with that mask, and my pressure is too high for the nasal tubes) I'm honestly not sure what my alternatives are. I've actually had multiple appointments at the VA Sleep Clinic cancelled and not rescheduled. I think that's what the VA wants is for us veterans to give up.
Oh, and thanks for sharing the vaginal discharge story, LOL!
Yes my doctors are VA doctors. You're also right that obstructive sleep apnea is treatable. But until the VA can provide me with a CPAP alternative (I can't sleep with that mask, and my pressure is too high for the nasal tubes) I'm honestly not sure what my alternatives are. I've actually had multiple appointments at the VA Sleep Clinic cancelled and not rescheduled. I think that's what the VA wants is for us veterans to give up.
Oh, and thanks for sharing the vaginal discharge story, LOL!
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PO1 John Miller
Sgt Gus Laskaris
I wouldn't say I'm claustrophobic, but the mask is definitely not comfortable. I started with the mask that fits over the nose and mouth and then went to one that covered just my nose, still no joy. I asked the docs about the nasal tubes but they were the ones who told me my CPAP machine air pressure was too high.
I also agree with you that obese people are more prone to obstructive apnea, but mine first manifested itself when I was much smaller, about 160 pounds (I'm now around 185/190 pounds). My weight has fluctuated over the years but no matter how much weight I lost it didn't seem to lessen my apnea.
I wouldn't say I'm claustrophobic, but the mask is definitely not comfortable. I started with the mask that fits over the nose and mouth and then went to one that covered just my nose, still no joy. I asked the docs about the nasal tubes but they were the ones who told me my CPAP machine air pressure was too high.
I also agree with you that obese people are more prone to obstructive apnea, but mine first manifested itself when I was much smaller, about 160 pounds (I'm now around 185/190 pounds). My weight has fluctuated over the years but no matter how much weight I lost it didn't seem to lessen my apnea.
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I myself I just got out 6 months ago from active duty due to RCP. I got out totally deaf in one ear, I suffered with sciatica nerve, Lumbar spinal stenosis in the back, degeneration of cartilage in both knees., and a whole host of other injuries and surgeries sustained while on active duty. I do so feel your Pain SSG Reilly. Having the sciatica nerve and lumbar spinal stenosis pain in your back is no joking matter. percocets are my best friends. I'm still waiting on an answer from the VA since April 30th. 2015 We are now in September pretty much going into October.
So that being said! I called it BS, if he had that time to go to the gym, and work out especially with a bad back pain no way., He's hurt I think not! He's just milking the system for money, and for people like us who are genuinely hurt getting sh**tted on. that's just my opinion.
I have worked with some one on active duty who did the same thing, but this person came in the military with back problems and did you not know, this person blame the military for hurting their back and got out 100% disability. It really pisses me off me off to see a great deal of these fakers walking around scamming the, and looking and lurking to see what illness another person has so they can get paid for some one else's hurt. I hope the system will one day be able to stop these "FAKERS" and held them to the highest responsibility of paying back all the money they've gotten, and give to the rightful people who really are disabled and deserved it.
I don't believe that they are hurting the system, I do believe that they are hurting themselves in the process of stealing from the system and the veterans who deserved their rightful benefits. This will get caught up to them in the long run. I would have my child, away from an idiot like that. To me that's dishonesty.
So that being said! I called it BS, if he had that time to go to the gym, and work out especially with a bad back pain no way., He's hurt I think not! He's just milking the system for money, and for people like us who are genuinely hurt getting sh**tted on. that's just my opinion.
I have worked with some one on active duty who did the same thing, but this person came in the military with back problems and did you not know, this person blame the military for hurting their back and got out 100% disability. It really pisses me off me off to see a great deal of these fakers walking around scamming the, and looking and lurking to see what illness another person has so they can get paid for some one else's hurt. I hope the system will one day be able to stop these "FAKERS" and held them to the highest responsibility of paying back all the money they've gotten, and give to the rightful people who really are disabled and deserved it.
I don't believe that they are hurting the system, I do believe that they are hurting themselves in the process of stealing from the system and the veterans who deserved their rightful benefits. This will get caught up to them in the long run. I would have my child, away from an idiot like that. To me that's dishonesty.
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When I first saw this post, I immediately was reminded of a piece written by a West Post prof that made the point of the current disability system pushing veterans to not wanting to pursue employment or even rehab for injuries. But I can't find it. The search continues
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From my foxhole, I've seen many who have "worked the system" for higher ratings. I'd like to see some fraud investigation on some of these folks.
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I am 80% service connected disabled, and will likely be 100% when my appeals are finally considered SSG Richard Reilly. I was in the Army nearly 33 years, and after all that time, I had a lot of wear of tear.; most of us do. 100% disabled is a VA term, based on a cumulative accumulation issue by issue; it is also not simple addition. Neck, back, Knees, TBI, Eye injury (IED), and even health issues like sleep apnea and gastroparesis are all included. I have no veteran, DV, PH, or HC license plate, even though I could; nor would I ever. But, that is my choice.
Like SGT Kristin Wiley stated, I would be careful about judging. I was at Walter Reed one time visiting several of our WWs and on the way in I passed a WW would was moving fast on the way in. He had shorts and a tank on. Had he not, I would not be able to tell he had prosthetic legs and a prosthetic arm.
100%, 90%, 80% etc are VA terms based on the sum of many things.
I would be careful about judging, but the BS flag is your right. I also know many who work the system. Two for example, I know... could not deploy... but still run marathons and triathlons.... They are both 100% SC disabled....
Like SGT Kristin Wiley stated, I would be careful about judging. I was at Walter Reed one time visiting several of our WWs and on the way in I passed a WW would was moving fast on the way in. He had shorts and a tank on. Had he not, I would not be able to tell he had prosthetic legs and a prosthetic arm.
100%, 90%, 80% etc are VA terms based on the sum of many things.
I would be careful about judging, but the BS flag is your right. I also know many who work the system. Two for example, I know... could not deploy... but still run marathons and triathlons.... They are both 100% SC disabled....
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Yes it hurts the system, yes I do care that people take advantage of the system. It is no different then those taking advantage of the WTU system. I have seen this first hand and it makes me sick to my stomach because if you honestly live the Army Values you wouldn't be lying and taking advantage of a system that is already overburdened and understaffed and was originally constituted to help those come back from a "COMBAT ZONE", not a friggin stateside deployment where the most physical thing you did was get out of bed in the morning. I wouldn't let my kids near this guy with a 10 foot pole.
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The nature of pain and combat disabilities make jumping to conclusions risky.
My dad lost his hearing due to spinel meningitis picked up in N. Africa. The only way he would hear a 155 going off next door was feel it. He never received 100% despite being unemployable during that time period. He had also been bayonetted and bombed while under water in the Med. He usually appeared fine, but now I realize the weight of PTSD he lived his whole life under.
I'm now 80% but if you saw me climb into a racecar you'd say "WTF" I trade 3 hours in that racecar, my shrink office, for a later week of bed bound and Vicodin. My 80% is for hearing, PTSD, and some agent orange issues, although it should be for the 6 blown discs, stenosis and nerve damage from a large mine. I receive nothing for that so I guess it evens out.
Walk a mile in their shoes before calling someone out.
Better that we give to many undeserving than miss one that is.
My dad lost his hearing due to spinel meningitis picked up in N. Africa. The only way he would hear a 155 going off next door was feel it. He never received 100% despite being unemployable during that time period. He had also been bayonetted and bombed while under water in the Med. He usually appeared fine, but now I realize the weight of PTSD he lived his whole life under.
I'm now 80% but if you saw me climb into a racecar you'd say "WTF" I trade 3 hours in that racecar, my shrink office, for a later week of bed bound and Vicodin. My 80% is for hearing, PTSD, and some agent orange issues, although it should be for the 6 blown discs, stenosis and nerve damage from a large mine. I receive nothing for that so I guess it evens out.
Walk a mile in their shoes before calling someone out.
Better that we give to many undeserving than miss one that is.
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Cpl Dennis F.
SPC Sheila Lewis - What, so that it will take another 30 years for Iragi/Afgan vets to receive care? I left RVN in 1968...I finally got compensation and care through VA in about 2010. That was a loss of over $800K that I could have sorely used to get right. That is what case by case did for us in the early 70s.
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1) People that may or may not be using the system are they really hurting the system?
-If they are not using the system, they are not hurting the system.
-If they are using the system fraudulently, then yes they are hurting the system and making it harder for vets with legitimate service connected disabilities to be seen or get compensation.
2) Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
- Yes, I 100% care. People who defraud the system should be prosecuted.
3) How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?
- People who have little integrity tend to not find themselves anywhere around myself or my children. That's how I would handle the situation around my kid. If the guy is a parent in my son's cub scout den, I seriously consider withdrawing my kid. If he's a parent at my kid's school, I tell my kid that they should not trust a word that leaves the lip of that individual's mouth.
As for the leadership stuff... As an E-4 in the Air Force, you can be put into leadership positions. Usually after graduating from ALS. So, while I tend to lean towards not really, I would urge caution.
-If they are not using the system, they are not hurting the system.
-If they are using the system fraudulently, then yes they are hurting the system and making it harder for vets with legitimate service connected disabilities to be seen or get compensation.
2) Do you care if people fake disability to get more from a system?
- Yes, I 100% care. People who defraud the system should be prosecuted.
3) How would you handle your kid around this guy who you know is a freaking idiot?
- People who have little integrity tend to not find themselves anywhere around myself or my children. That's how I would handle the situation around my kid. If the guy is a parent in my son's cub scout den, I seriously consider withdrawing my kid. If he's a parent at my kid's school, I tell my kid that they should not trust a word that leaves the lip of that individual's mouth.
As for the leadership stuff... As an E-4 in the Air Force, you can be put into leadership positions. Usually after graduating from ALS. So, while I tend to lean towards not really, I would urge caution.
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