Posted on Sep 20, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
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Beards, tattoos, and long hair...what's right and when? Discipline, cohesion and uniformity... vs. relaxed grooming standards?
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MSgt Devon Saunders
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Here's my 2 cents... I and many others have Pseudofolliculitis barbae (Bad razor bumps/ingrown hairs). And have to routinely get shaving waivers. In my case I cannot use a razor whatsoever and have to use clippers. I still get bumps and ingrown hairs because my facial hair is extremely ruff and curls back into my skin. Now, keep in mind I still have to keep it trimmed to a specific length ( no more than a 1/4 inch). For me that's a lot and I usually kept it closer somewhat of a shadow depending on how my hair acted that week. Point is this. I spent 21 years in the Air Force and had a waiver from BMT until retirement. And every base had different policies on the length of the waivers. One base might be a year another might be every 6 months!! And I still looked and acted professional with my facial hair. (For those who say you can't be professional acting ). I believe allowing neatly trimmed beards should be allowed for those that choose to or have to(medical reason) minus having to go see a technician or doctor every 6 months to a year. For a condition that isn't going to change. My hair isn't gonna suddenly become uncurly or wool like.
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MSgt Health & Safety
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I do NOT think grooming standards need relaxing. I do not think presenting a clean-cut, we'll-groomed appearance is a bad thing. I have found, if you feel professional, you are more likely to act professional.
Where tattoos are concerned, I DO believe regs have gotten out of hand. I am not interested in a watered-down service where our war-fighters cannot get ink, but can look "shaggy" in uniform.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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I'd give those at the tip of the spear far more latitude in their appearance outside the wire. I'm not a tattoos guy, but it seems everyone; both civilian and military tattooing is very popular. I just attended my nephew's wedding. He had three tours of duty in Afghanistan, as did his best man and five of his groomsmen...all Sargent's (E5) and all extensively tattooed. They were all in their dress uniform and looked sharp with no tattoos showing. They were all clean shaven and hair cut hight n tight. I'm reasonably sure that outside the wire you'd never recognize them. But at the wedding they looked sharp and this Squid was really proud of them.
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CSM William DeWolf
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Realistically, there are more important things to consider when in the combat environment that stubble and hair!
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CPO James Mifflin
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Grooming standards are fine. Sharp clean appearance. The SpecOps community has different needs... We worked inside local communities, often with there leadership... Beards were essential for respect and without that they would not pass on any information.... That's my take on this discussion.
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SFC Mark Merino
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I always thought they went hand in hand with spitshinedboots and crispy uniforms. DISCIPLINE,! Now it's just putting on clothes for work.
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SSG Ray Murphy
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Adjust for the mission, climate etc. Just to have, to have? Ludicrous speed.
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SPC Kevin Ford
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It's hard to make a cohesive unit out of people who's priority is to be different.

To be clean cut is part of the ceremony of being part of the team. That's not to say no level of personal expression should be allowed, but it shouldn't be the wild wild west either.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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COL Lee Flemming - Didn't someone come up with the solution to the whole NBC mask problem to be just cutting off the sides of their mustache?

Sorry a bit of historical humor there.
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COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
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SPC Kevin Ford - ha, you forced me to view your profile...good one!
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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It is not hard to do so, most of our allies have been doing so for generations. Are the Brits somehow bettr than US troops since they don't have the difficulties you describe?
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Cpl Rick Ulrey
Cpl Rick Ulrey
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I can't see unit cohesion being a /real/ reason for grooming standards. Plenty of units come together w/out the need for having similar haircut standards.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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Well, I come from a USCG tradition in a time when neatly groomed beards were not only allowed, but more or less expected. I do not have an issue with that. but in the end, it does depend on what and where you are and do. If it helps you to blend in and accomplish your job, fine. From what I understand, in some cultures, if you can't grow a beard you are regarded as less than a man, fine grow one. In my case, I spent a year 500 miles north of the Arctic Circle. A beard and long hair were just common sense, helping you to stay warm and protect your face in weather that at times could reach 70 or more below with 70+ knot winds. It is truely amazing how warm a beard can keep your face once it freezes over....
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SFC Byron Perry
SFC Byron Perry
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The clean shaven beard is so your gas mask will seal in case it is needed.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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I was remarking more on longstanding tradition, and certain specific exceptions. Though I believe it has changed since I was in, beards, like tats are or were a long standing tradition in the maritime services. In fact, it was expected, at least to a degree, with a tat especially, being considered a rite of passage in many rates.

Of course we also didn't carry gas masks. In the case of an NBC attack, we buttoned up the ship and continued on. Also, in some places and situations it makes no damn sense.
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1SG Patrick Sims
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Grooming standards are for all of us---If you think you're a privilege character and deserve preferential treatment ---Get out of the military and join the New York City Ballet.
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