Posted on Dec 5, 2017
Are promotion points now being given for completion of AIT?
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New Soldiers arriving to the unit now have their AIT ATRRS course listed under Military Education on their ERB. When looking at their PPW, they are receiving points for this.
AR 600-8-19 states, "Courses formally listed in ATRRS are authorized promotion points (exceptions follow) at the rate of four promotion points per week (defined as 40 training hours) of military training. Soldiers receive these points without regard to mandatory training requirements for award of the Soldier’s MOS."
Next section states, "Promotion points are not authorized for NCOES Courses (except as indicated in para 3–18a), MOS-producing courses, all badge-producing courses (see military awards, para 3–17), BCT, advanced individual training, new equipment training, USMAPS/U.S. Military Academy, language training, OCS, and Warrant Officer Candidate Course."
Are these two paragraphs contradicting? Or am I reading this wrong...?
AR 600-8-19 states, "Courses formally listed in ATRRS are authorized promotion points (exceptions follow) at the rate of four promotion points per week (defined as 40 training hours) of military training. Soldiers receive these points without regard to mandatory training requirements for award of the Soldier’s MOS."
Next section states, "Promotion points are not authorized for NCOES Courses (except as indicated in para 3–18a), MOS-producing courses, all badge-producing courses (see military awards, para 3–17), BCT, advanced individual training, new equipment training, USMAPS/U.S. Military Academy, language training, OCS, and Warrant Officer Candidate Course."
Are these two paragraphs contradicting? Or am I reading this wrong...?
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Responses: 2
I've been out awhile, so my opinion may not matter, but I can see the point of this. A person that has 4 weeks of AIT along with basic training under their belt, is the smallest investment the Army can make into an individual. If they send someone to basic and then a 2 year course on some crazy intel stuff, that time and money investment into training that person might need to be protected a little bit by promoting that individual so they're incentivized to stay in. That could already happen, I don't know. If everyone gets it for AIT then in a sense, it actually promotes the people whom the Army sees as more valuable because of their investment level.
CSM Clifford Fargason
Promotions are by MOS, so all the people in a particular MOS would get the same amount of points and they would not see an advantage just because they spent 2 years in AIT as opposed to a 4 week course.
SGT Andrew Sherman
Very true, CSM Fargason. Switching MOS would be the only situation where it could be an advantage then, but after a 2 year school, I'd bet the Army wouldn't allow you to switch MOS!
They aren't contradicting each other, the second paragraph indicates what ATRRS courses aren't eligible for points.
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Why are they being put on the ERB? This is from the Signal Soldiers coming from Gordon and Meade.
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If I'm not mistaken, there was recently an update to the system that feeds section IV in preparation for the switch to the SRB. Only ATRRS courses are now eligible to be put in that section and not all of them will be. There is a specific list that populate that field. My best guess right now, without further research, is that those schools are included on the auto-fill list.
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Thanks, I would to get a hold of that list. Some of these Soldiers AIT last around 9 months. They almost max out of MIL ED when this course is put on there.
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It states clearly in the second paragraph that it should not be used for promotion points, two different ways. It is a MOS producing course and it is AIT class.
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