Posted on Dec 6, 2014
CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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Another instance of betrayal from someone with insider knowledge.....are our highest security clearances too easy to achieve?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/saudi-born-us-naval-engineer-allegedly-gave-undercover-agent-info-on-how-to/

I assume there will be a review of the investigative process for granting a Secret Clearance. Were the sensitive documents stored properly and did he have a need-to-know before being able to review the schematics - I'd assume he'd have to have a Top Secret clearance to get access to sensitive documents.

Your thoughts: clearance too easy to get, punishment recommendations (assuming he is found guilty)?
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig. History is replete among US, Allied, and Adversary nations with gross stupidity and outright traitors at all clearance levels. Specialized clearances with compartmentalization, serialized, and audited containment and disclosure procedures help to highlight the sensitivity and personal / national consequences of unauthorized disclosure. In the end active counterintelligence programs with frequent human / technical red team penetration testing, personnel and financial monitoring, and functional magnetic resonance imaging / polygraph examinations provide best available defenses. Junior personnel and interim clearances are higher risk. Obvious over classification, failure to declassify on a reasonable schedule, and classification for inappropriate reasons impair the vigilance of key personnel. But, keep in mind the stringency of these measures must be carefully balanced against the financial and operational costs. Warmest Regards, Sandy
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That's interesting because for my secret clearance, it took 6 months and I practically had to give blood and DNA to get mine. It surprises me that they seem too easy get in the military and DoD I would think it would be harder.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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If convicted, his punishment punishment should be life in prison without parole. He should remain in prison until he dies of natural cause or until he gets shanked by another prisoner. This man probably still holds classified information on how to sink out Navy ships.
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Are Secret Security clearances too easily granted?
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Yes, CSM Michael J. Uhlig, I think SECRET clearances are too easy to get. I believe a SECRET clearance is essentially based on records checks (see this FAQ, which is interesting: https://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_faq.pdf).

Punishment? Well, I think if he got life without parole, that might slow future spies down a bit, or at least make them think twice.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS,TS doesn't either. Had a few troops get out and go to contracts that fall under DHS/TSA and even though they had active TS/SCI's they still had to get a new clearance done under DHS's rules.

In one case, the TS/SCI was less then 6 months old due to the AF's force shaping. The contractor hired them because having the DoD TS/SCI means they "should" clear the DHS TS pretty quickly.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS, From what I am told, it OPM does almost everyone's investigation, what matters is what office adjudicates the final clearance determination.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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TSgt Joshua Copeland Good to know. I had a TS investigation and adjudication within 30 days or so of starting my job with DHS through US OPM and DHS did accept that.

Reciprocity should be for all, in my opinion. OPM does all of the investigations, except for FBI and DEA. So there is one standard for the investigation and one standard for adjudication.
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Historically, there were several investigative entities. OPM, DSS, and a few others. Over time, the executive branch narrowed it down, and since shortly after 9/11 all investigations that were conducted by DoD went through OPM. I don't know about other entities, but at least within DoD, it's all OPM now.

The adjudication was also done by separate groups. Some, like Department of Energy, do their own. In the DoD, each agency (Army/Navy/Air Force) had their own, but since 2012 those have been combined into a single DoD Central Clearance Adjudication Facility.
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Stories like this always make me wonder about the line of entrapment vs. undercover investigation. Would he have sought to steal and sell secrets if the FBI hadn't asked? Who knows, I assume that's part of what the investigation and trial try to ferret out.

Anyway, recommended charges? Treason.

Article III US Constitution
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Punishment if convicted? To be determined by congress (but not to include punishing his kids). My recommendation? Hard labor in a military prison until his knowledge of Naval Systems becomes irrelevant say about 25 years or so. Then strip him of citizenship, deport him back to either country of origin or to the country he thought he was aiding in his espionage (Egypt.)
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SGT Kyle Taylor
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YES!! I dont want to go to far into this but it is way to easy for guys that want to get them to get. To many ways to get around the system to get a clearance also. I will not put it out here but if they want the highest clearance all it takes is a little knowledge in what MOS needs them and you can get it.
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SPC David S.
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Yes, Also when I was in NG way to much secret stuff laying around. Nothing major but none the less it should have been treated as such.
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There is already a review process in place for clearances after the Navy Shipyard shooting a few years back....at least there was supposed to be a review. Perhaps this will merit another look at the system.
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There are several reviews in process DOD wide. Since the Naval Shipyard shooting, it has expanded to include the vetting of contractor personnel to include access to installations by not only contractors, but also any persons who wish to visit an installation yet do not any type of affliation with the military. At Fort Stewart, every non military ID card holder goes thru an NCIC law viloations check before they are granted access to the post. If a non-ID card holder is riding with an ID card holder, they are granted access immediately and do not have to go thru this process. There will be more changes upcoming across DOD. This is a high vis Review Process and will continue for quite some time.
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I believe nowadays you are only granted secret, ts, and tscpi clearance if you explicitly require it for your job. I recall talking with an Intel Lt. Col who mentioned that typically when you sign up and do the interviews and stuff, they are determining your eligibility which is recorded in your JPAS. Your command has to pursue the actual clearance in relation to your needs, which is very easy if you were already eligible for the level you required. Your eligibility is just like your clearance (time frame, requirements, et al) but you can't actually handle the materials or gain access to the specific areas until you receive the clearance.
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SGT Patrick Soule
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Are Secret Security clearances too easily granted? That was your original headline question. The answer is probably. However, Secret is not that high of a clearance. As to the higher ones, TS and above, probably not. I can still recall my neighbors and school mates asking me later what I had done wrong... "why was the FBI and some other agency around asking questions about you"? I can remember those forms and the initial interview as well as the follow-ups and the every several year rechecks. If all the TS and above were and still are like that, then my answer is no, not too easy for the TS and above.

The real issue becomes do we actually punish those that reveal classified information to do harm to our country. I word it that way because there are those who have revealed "classified" information that was classified only to keep the ones classifying it from going to prison (try to say that 3 times fast). Those who reveal with intent, may their skin be oh so pale when they exit prison (from lack of exposure to the sun).

Those that reveal to expose an actual Felony that is not backed by Presidential Pardon in advance, Whistle Blower, should be protected. Probably wouldn't happen (protection), but nothing ventured nothing gained. Assuming (ya, that word) that you are an American Patriot, what are your ethics? Did you violate them by the revelation? No? I'm feeling better about it. Yes? I'm not feeling it for ya.
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