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Recent comments by Film makers Michael Moore and Seth Rogen have rattled this timeless hornets nest.
For my own position, warriors are warriors regardless of their job. Our job are to kill or support those that do. War sucks, at best.
The above mentioned men have themselves been called cowards for stating their positions. I counter that they are not cowards for standing up for their beliefs.
Thoughts and opinions on the subject.
For my own position, warriors are warriors regardless of their job. Our job are to kill or support those that do. War sucks, at best.
The above mentioned men have themselves been called cowards for stating their positions. I counter that they are not cowards for standing up for their beliefs.
Thoughts and opinions on the subject.
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Here is a short list of things I would rather do than allow Michael Moore to guide my morality:
-Bathe in Hydrochloric acid.
-Pull an abscessed tooth from an un-anesthetized crocodile.
-Dive headfirst from the Sears Tower using only a thumbtack as a landing pad.
-Date Rosie O'Donnell
Get the picture?
-Bathe in Hydrochloric acid.
-Pull an abscessed tooth from an un-anesthetized crocodile.
-Dive headfirst from the Sears Tower using only a thumbtack as a landing pad.
-Date Rosie O'Donnell
Get the picture?
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So I'm going to go out on a limb here, and at the risk of getting down votes, and point out that Seth Rogen did not call Chris Kyle a "coward", it was Michael Moore who said that, and then poorly back-pedaled saying he never mentioned Kyle by name. Moore, in the words of Trey Parker and Matt Stone, is a giant socialist weasel. However, I am going to stand up and say that I can see Rogen's point. He said that "American Sniper" a movie about a revered sniper with a high kill count 'reminded' him of a scene in "Inglorious Basterds" that was similar. With all of the hero worship going on these days it is a dangerous precedent to assume that a hero is beyond reproach simply for being a hero. Especially one who has been found guilty of lying in court and most likely lied about 2 other incidents. (Not that it happened but if you really support him gunning down looters, American citizens, in New Orleans we have a different problem.)
Sure, Michael Moore's words are cowardly but the more we all talk about it the more he gets what he wants, relevance. I however do not think that Seth Rogen deserves to be lumped in with that lump of lard. He made an honest observation and everyone's knee-jerk reaction is to freak out that he must be anti-American. Though "American Sniper" may not have been commissioned by the government it still comes across as 'Murc'n propaganda, even if it is an accurate portrayal of Kyle's exploits and what it is like to go to war.
Sure, Michael Moore's words are cowardly but the more we all talk about it the more he gets what he wants, relevance. I however do not think that Seth Rogen deserves to be lumped in with that lump of lard. He made an honest observation and everyone's knee-jerk reaction is to freak out that he must be anti-American. Though "American Sniper" may not have been commissioned by the government it still comes across as 'Murc'n propaganda, even if it is an accurate portrayal of Kyle's exploits and what it is like to go to war.
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SGT James Elphick
I am actually anti-Ventura, and would love if he got punched in the face, but the facts and a court ruling seem to support his side of the story. But beyond that story there is the one of Kyle supposedly shooting 2 car-jackers that cannot be corroborated and, one that I mentioned, that he was killing American citizens in New Orleans which not only can it not be corroborated if it was true he should be in prison. My issue is that because he was a great soldier/sniper (that can be corroborated) that we forget about his faults and even worse that because of this he, and his story, are somehow beyond reproach and that any criticism or difference of opinion is somehow akin to treason or anti-Americanism.
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From what I know of the profession (which admittedly is not a whole hell of a lot. I was cyrpto geek after all) Snipers and their spotters rely on range and stealth because, if their location is discovered, they could get overrun pretty fast. To me, that's not cowardice, that's being smart.
Also, cowardly compared to what? Guys who plant IEDs? Men who behead unarmed journalists? Men who cut of the clitoris of young women so they won't feel pleasure during sex and not be tempted to cheat on their husband/owner? Men who would hide behind women and children in front of military targets to protect them from bombings. Men who would use those same women and children as suicide bombers? You get the idea.
Look, I get it. Soft men who make films don't like the reality of war. It sickens them, it frightens them and that's okay. That's why we have an all volunteer force. We don't like it either but, we do the things they can't imagine doing so they don't have to. All I ask is that they remember what the other side actually does and don't judge us for doing the job you wouldn't or couldn't do yourself.
Also, cowardly compared to what? Guys who plant IEDs? Men who behead unarmed journalists? Men who cut of the clitoris of young women so they won't feel pleasure during sex and not be tempted to cheat on their husband/owner? Men who would hide behind women and children in front of military targets to protect them from bombings. Men who would use those same women and children as suicide bombers? You get the idea.
Look, I get it. Soft men who make films don't like the reality of war. It sickens them, it frightens them and that's okay. That's why we have an all volunteer force. We don't like it either but, we do the things they can't imagine doing so they don't have to. All I ask is that they remember what the other side actually does and don't judge us for doing the job you wouldn't or couldn't do yourself.
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