Posted on Oct 7, 2016
Are the TOC-reported number of missions on ARCOMs accurate?
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When people receive an Army Commendation Medal and it includes number of missions, I think that's a number reported from the TOC right? Are they inaccurate? Can share the most you've seen or have too, that would be interesting.
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I think it depends on the person doing the award. Remember anyone can write up a 638. The person may have been involved in a certain number which may be different than the number recorded in the official duty logs. Also remember there is a "lag" time in the writing of the award and presentation of the award. You have to understand usually there is a time frame for awards, there is also a time frame for getting awards submitted, which is usually shorter than the deployment time. Normally all awards are written and approved down range because many times the approving official is from a higher unit and getting all this done after redeployment is a pain in the ass and so much more time consuming.
A S-1 NCO could answer this much better than I can.
A S-1 NCO could answer this much better than I can.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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MSG David Johnson
SGM Mikel Dawson - This was something I kept in my pocket separate from my leadersbook, but thanks for reminding me about the leaders book.
They've probably changed a bit since I got out but I think I still have my last one. All pertinent info was removed before they shipped my stuff home after I was MEDEVAC'd out.
They've probably changed a bit since I got out but I think I still have my last one. All pertinent info was removed before they shipped my stuff home after I was MEDEVAC'd out.
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MSG David Johnson
SGM Mikel Dawson - This didn't all post, here's the whole post.
SGM Mikel Dawson - This was something I kept in my pocket separate from my leadersbook, but thanks for reminding me about the leaders book.
They've probably changed a bit since I got out but I think I still have my last one. All pertinent info was removed before they shipped my stuff home after I was MEDEVAC'd out.
I took a look at that link, my how things have changed in such a few years.
SGM Mikel Dawson - This was something I kept in my pocket separate from my leadersbook, but thanks for reminding me about the leaders book.
They've probably changed a bit since I got out but I think I still have my last one. All pertinent info was removed before they shipped my stuff home after I was MEDEVAC'd out.
I took a look at that link, my how things have changed in such a few years.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
MSG David Johnson - I know, I had a hard copy I carried. I was surprised to see this when I looked it up.
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When I wrote blanket tour awards it was for team achievement, with team numbers. If there was a significant difference in roles I would adjust numbers as needed. When I wrote impact awards, that was for individual achievement, and all of the numbers would be personalized due to the individual nature of the award.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
It takes time, but if you take the time to do an award, then get it done right, the way you would like it done for yourself. What you do is what a leader is suppose to do.
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Okay, got to ask... does it make any difference how many missions? Semper Fi.
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CSM Richard StCyr
During the 05-07 rotation 4ID was concerned about devaluation of the ARCOM and Bronze Star in end of tour awards, so they put out guidance on what we should take into consideration with recommendations, the ones I can still remember were Exposure, Impact, Contact and there were a couple others.
So we had to figure out how to demonstrate Soldiers performance against those things along with the awards regs. It really made you think when you put pen to paper for your guys, or evaluated a write up to provide comments to the BC and I think it helped keep the value and integrity of the awards.
The awards for Valor were no brainers as they clearly stood out.
So we had to figure out how to demonstrate Soldiers performance against those things along with the awards regs. It really made you think when you put pen to paper for your guys, or evaluated a write up to provide comments to the BC and I think it helped keep the value and integrity of the awards.
The awards for Valor were no brainers as they clearly stood out.
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Here's the sad truth about these awards sometimes. I'm not sure who wrote this one for you, but often times what happens is the plt ldr or plt sgt write the awards for everyone in their plt. In doing this they often just use generic stats from what the plt accomplished and not specific details from each individual Soldier. The s1's job is to make sure it is administratively/grammatically correct, but not to fact check it. Some award writers do try to get actual mission counts, miles driven, etc. but that's not always the case.
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We did murder boards at the BN level with BC, XO, S3, CSM, and Company 1SGs and Cos as panel members not to approve or disapprove awards above the AAM, but to make sure the recommended Soldiers had the best chance to get what the commands put them in for. Part of the review process was accuracy so folks didn't get shorted out of, or elaborated mission counts, impact statements or project values.
So for our guys I'm pretty confident the numbers were very close to correct. Every mission, patrol, or convoy generates a manifest so I can't see how hard it would be for all units to verify info.
So for our guys I'm pretty confident the numbers were very close to correct. Every mission, patrol, or convoy generates a manifest so I can't see how hard it would be for all units to verify info.
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