Posted on Feb 19, 2014
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Army Warrant Officers are technical and tactical experts in their respective fields. With the downsizing of our forces WOs are being required to work outside of the norm. IE: Battalion primary staffs (S-4, S-1, etc). Thoughts?<br>
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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It is a secret society, no one knows what they do but themselves ;+)
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CW4 C-12 Pilot
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We are the best kept secret in the Army. We are hiring. http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/ <br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.usarec.army.mil/index_Picture1.gif"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/">U.S. Army Recruiting Command's Warrant Officer Recruiting Information Site</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description"></div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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SPC Leisel Luman
SPC Leisel Luman
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It's supposed to be that way. That's why they were created.
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SPC Leisel Luman
SPC Leisel Luman
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Great link.
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CW3 David Covey
CW3 David Covey
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As it should be..lol

And yes, it's the best kept secret in the Army.. It was the best decision of my carreer.
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<p>I've always wondered why Doctors and Nurses aren't WOs.&nbsp; The only thing I could figure is that WOs don't get paid enough.</p><p><br></p>
SFC Michael Hasbun
SFC Michael Hasbun
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Best response ever sir.... LOL...
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SPC Leisel Luman
SPC Leisel Luman
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Thank You!!!
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SPC Leisel Luman
SPC Leisel Luman
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I don't have the stats but I think it takes longer to get to CW4 than Major. Army CW5 is a rare animal. That's where the pay discrepancy and where you top out at retirement comes into play. This is only my observation from Fort Rucker. I am by no means a subject matter expert. I say this with much respect. Down size somewhere else in my humble opinion.
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
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SSG William Kesler A little history: Once upon a time Physician's Assistants used to all be enlisted, then the Army started making PAs Warrant Officers. There was a bit of backlash in the Air Force because their PAs were still enlisted and thus weren't entitled to the pay or benefits of officers and the Air Force, of course, didn't have Warrant Officers, so they responded by making their PAs regular commissioned officers. This didn't really sit too well in the Army because now Army PAs suffered from the same credibility gap that had earlier plagued the Air Force PAs and finally in the early 90s the Army came on board with all the other services by making our PAs regular commissioned officers as well.
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I *am* the "S-6" of my unit, as I'm the OIC of the IT Section.... &nbsp; but we're a very strange animal. &nbsp;Finance doctrine is, in my not so humble Signal opinion, screwed up. &nbsp;I work for a Financial Management Center, which is a separate unit...except we're considered a directorate of the ESC while in garrison, and of the TSC while in theater. &nbsp;Our commander isn't really a commander, so awards and promotions and other stuff have to go up to higher hqs... &nbsp;and we're NOT co-located.<br><br>I think it's a load of crap. &nbsp;Either we're a separate unit, or we're not. &nbsp;Either our CO should be a commander, or make us a section of the ESC or TSC, falling under the HHC, and COLOCATED. &nbsp;This in between crap causes more problems than it solves.<br><br>And dammit, give me a Signal 1LT to be in charge of the section so I can concentrate on the Finance-specific Signal tasks we need to accomplish....
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Thank you, Brother... I have now since escaped from that unit and am sitting in the S-3 of a Signal unit out at Chambersburg PA, doing my best to impress my commander until a slot opens in a new det coming in at Fort Meade.
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SPC Leisel Luman
SPC Leisel Luman
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You expressed my point exactly. Sorry you got stuck in that environment. I hope you escape soon.
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I did. I'm out of the frying pan and into the fire. Now I'm being completely misutilized, and my subject matter expertise is being ignored. As soon as I can verify by regulatory guidance that I'm not going to screw up my promotion by taking a CW2 slot, I'm so out of there.
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Are Warrant Officer Utilized Correctly?
CW3 Kevin Storm
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I would say it would be MOS dependent/MTOE Dependent. As a 915, many in my field will be tasked as a BN Maint Tech or BN Motor Officer, defacto you are on a staff now. At the same time we may also be a Platoon Leader. As we progress in grade, we are going to end up on a staff somewhere. Do I want to be on a staff, no not really. As a technician I have an obligation to advice the commander and his/hers subordinate commanders of things in my lane and area of knowledge. Some WO's may never have to be on a staff, but many of us will at one point or time in our careers. My humble advice, do the best you as your mentors did for you.
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CWOs are underutilized here in the Navy. I'm my 3 years in, I have met maybe 5 Navy CWOs. I have met more Admirals than that, and that is on a USAF base.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Outside the norm? What Wo's don't no anything about Logistics or personnel actions? I would have assumed that they would be better at it than many O's
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CW3 Robert Haffly
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Pilots aren’t “real” warrant officers. Just ask any supply tech.
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For clarification, I wish the Army designated Warrant Officer pilots as Flight Officers 1-5. Warrant Officers are technical experts in their field and move from NCO, usually senior NCO, to WO. Those who enter aviation don't fit that mold. They may become experts in their new field but that don't begin as such. There is precedent for the rank of Flight Officer beginning in WWII.
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As long as, if you must have a warrant officer as a primary staff officer, you keep your 420s in the S-1, your 350s and 351s in the S-2, your 920s in the S-4, and your 255s in the S-6, you're not going too far afield.

When I was searching for a new TPU position, I tried to explain to the HHC Commander of this one brigade about what a warrant officer was, and he was having none of it, and expected me to step up in WHATEVER area, regardless of my expertise. Needless to say, I didn't go into his unit.
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It's a mystery to me. I work in BN S6 with a CW3 over my shop but he's not a signal WO at all. Plus there's other WOs going around be placed in OIC positions in staff. I was always under the assumption you go where your MOS as a WO says plus of course where the army needs you. They've always been a strange breed.
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