Posted on May 1, 2015
Are we slowly losing our constitutional rights?
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I feel as each day passes, Americans are being slowly "conditioned" into a state where our constitutional rights are little to none.
Talk of gun control is absurd to me; it's obvious that the 2nd Amendment's original intent is to allow Americans the right to protect themselves with their own firearm without fear of repercussion. I don't understand how the argument, "Guns kill people." is legitimate to anyone because mentally unstable people kill people.. a weapon is a tool; an extension of a man's will. If the man chooses to kill someone, how can you justify punishing an entire nation by the actions of a few morons?
Just my $.02. There are a bunch of examples, but I wanted to get the input of the RP community. Am I imagining this?
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Talk of gun control is absurd to me; it's obvious that the 2nd Amendment's original intent is to allow Americans the right to protect themselves with their own firearm without fear of repercussion. I don't understand how the argument, "Guns kill people." is legitimate to anyone because mentally unstable people kill people.. a weapon is a tool; an extension of a man's will. If the man chooses to kill someone, how can you justify punishing an entire nation by the actions of a few morons?
Just my $.02. There are a bunch of examples, but I wanted to get the input of the RP community. Am I imagining this?
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Hopefully "Rights" aren't being confused with License to whatever. No "right" is Absolute neither guarantee Forever. Bad things can happen that can create conditions where the so called "rights" may be suspended. These so called "Rights" can also be abused as we can see often. Absent as they are from the Constitution the "Rights" of Victims of Crimes to Hope for Justice, is no surprise to see on a Daily basis Criminals having more protections than their victims.
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I have not noticed a loss of right. Background checks ensuring people getting guns aren't felons, drug users unless those are people you want to have guns and we shouldn't have any law at all regarding gun control. I don't think our forefathers anticipated this type of issue with weapons. I think there need to be some basic controls to help protect the average citizen you are an average citizen possessing a weapon and protecting it in your home I don't see a problem
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SPC Michael Frugoli
I don't like your definition of a few morons here's a statistic.
* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]
I don't like the idea of taking rights away from citizens but we do how we fix this let's be a part of the solution not part of the problem
* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[16]
I don't like the idea of taking rights away from citizens but we do how we fix this let's be a part of the solution not part of the problem
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It's an old law that could use another look, and there's nothing wrong with that. This isn't 1776, where a town needs to protect itself from a tyrannical government on its own; in the information age, any body besieged by tyranny would quickly find 100,000 ready volunteers to defend it. I'm fine with a requirement to register all guns and restrict sales to responsible people, because it's a responsible thing to do and I don't think it actually restricts a person's ability to defend themselves from government. For starters, who among is would follow an order to imprison a dissenter, or kill a peaceful citizen? This doesn't worry me at all. The only threat I see to civil liberties is the invasion of politics into the police force.
1stLt Steven P.
I am sorry LTJG James Jones but I think you are being a little naive. Go to places like the Crimea or the eastern Ukraine and you will find that people do imprison a dissenter even though they know its isn't right. Can I see that happen in the U.S.? Yes it only takes a mob to make reasonable people to give in to fear and be willing to do whatever they are told to do, whether by the mob or by the government.
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I wouldn't say we are "losing" our Constitutional rights per say but I would say that certain government organizations both local and federal are TRYING to take our rights.
Also there are people on both sides of the fence politically speaking that think some rights should be taken away in the name of "safety" or "morals" but only apply it to those things with which they disagree with.
Example: Mostly those on the left want to heavily regulate or even totally ban firearms. Those on the right want to ban things such as gay marriage.
My stance is, you want to preserve one right you must preserve them all. If it is important to even a small group of people, and it doesn't affect your life whatsoever, what's the problem?
A member of the Canadian Libertarian Party, Dan Dicks, said it best: "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns."
Also there are people on both sides of the fence politically speaking that think some rights should be taken away in the name of "safety" or "morals" but only apply it to those things with which they disagree with.
Example: Mostly those on the left want to heavily regulate or even totally ban firearms. Those on the right want to ban things such as gay marriage.
My stance is, you want to preserve one right you must preserve them all. If it is important to even a small group of people, and it doesn't affect your life whatsoever, what's the problem?
A member of the Canadian Libertarian Party, Dan Dicks, said it best: "I want gay married couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns."
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Good thing we don't get our rights from the constitution.
As soon as I dialed into that reality life got a whole lot easier.
As soon as I dialed into that reality life got a whole lot easier.
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I have always been at odds with 2A and my feelings seem to be different than most but for what its worth if they took the guns away from everyone, including the police and added maximum, non-negotiable prison terms for simply committing a crime with a gun, then this issue could be a non-issue.
IMHO guns outside the hands of the military and law enforcement (and with recent events I'm questioning LEOS carrying) are a quick and available means to an end. Take away the guns and people will still find a way to kill one another but it won't be as quick and "easy", it would have to be more up close and intimate such as using a knife to stab or a bat to bludgeon someone with. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but should we go back to the wild west days and just allow everyone to carry with no restrictions so if you're wanting to go after someone but they're packing, you'll think twice about it? Will there be witnesses to determine if a shoot was clean or not or will we be required to all wear body cams?
If gun control is as you say, absurd, and we have police out there acting like criminals by shooting first and asking questions later then, what would be some potential solutions to stopping this cycle of gun related violence if taking away guns is off the table?
IMHO guns outside the hands of the military and law enforcement (and with recent events I'm questioning LEOS carrying) are a quick and available means to an end. Take away the guns and people will still find a way to kill one another but it won't be as quick and "easy", it would have to be more up close and intimate such as using a knife to stab or a bat to bludgeon someone with. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but should we go back to the wild west days and just allow everyone to carry with no restrictions so if you're wanting to go after someone but they're packing, you'll think twice about it? Will there be witnesses to determine if a shoot was clean or not or will we be required to all wear body cams?
If gun control is as you say, absurd, and we have police out there acting like criminals by shooting first and asking questions later then, what would be some potential solutions to stopping this cycle of gun related violence if taking away guns is off the table?
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
A lot can be said about a leader who wants its people to turn in that which tips the balance of power in the favor of said people. Ask a population to turn in its firearms and you definitely don't have anything on your agenda that's going to help the people. No thanks, I'm an American for a reason.
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SPC Patrick Caldwell
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca, a major reason why this country has such a huge gun violence demographic is because of the violent nature of our country. It has been instinct in American history to fight for what we believe in. We take what we believe is ours. Our history is full of violent war and blood is all over our hands. We killed numerous Native Americans simply because we wanted to drive them from land we believed was ours.. hahaha, we were killing them because we're greedy. Manifest Destiny was nothing but a bunch of big kids who wanted more and more of the playground to call theirs until they had the whole thing, whether they took it by force or by negotiation (numerous wars to obtain territory/Louisiana Purchase/Gadsden Purchase/buying Alaska from the Russians.. you get the picture).
I couldn't agree more that the only way to prevent something is to create a consequence severe enough to make someone think twice about doing it. It won't stop everybody, but it's going need to happen in order to combat that which has become second nature in American society. Why do you think violence sells? It's all over in American culture today; movies, TV shows, video games, you name it it's got some violence in it. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys who think we should all be some peace-loving hippies or anything.. I'm just making a point. This nation is the site of more gun-related deaths (and homicides in general) than any other nation.. one big byproduct of this is because of how diverse we are. If you bring in a melting pot of different cultures and personalities, you're going to have some that clash.. and some of these clashes are going to cause some scars to run deep, then some idiot is going to take his butthurt to the extreme and go out and shoot the guy he doesn't agree with because he thinks the battle's beyond words. That is what's wrong with people these days. When we learn to rely on our words and how we say them instead of a show of force, we'll be living in a much better world. I believe it is for this reason that various peoples hate the United States. They see a nation of aggressors because that's exactly what we are whether we want to admit it or not. We've gone from a nation built on the ideals of freedom and patriotism to a nation that focuses its agenda on foreign policy and essentially becoming the 'police force' of the world when problems in our own country are growing to sky-high levels. George Washington left office pleading with us to stay an isolationist country and to be cautious of treaties.. his words seem to have been forgotten.. now I'm not saying the U.S. should become a North Korea or anything, but we're definitely way too invested in the matters of other countries and should start looking in the proverbial mirror at our own problems.
I couldn't agree more that the only way to prevent something is to create a consequence severe enough to make someone think twice about doing it. It won't stop everybody, but it's going need to happen in order to combat that which has become second nature in American society. Why do you think violence sells? It's all over in American culture today; movies, TV shows, video games, you name it it's got some violence in it. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys who think we should all be some peace-loving hippies or anything.. I'm just making a point. This nation is the site of more gun-related deaths (and homicides in general) than any other nation.. one big byproduct of this is because of how diverse we are. If you bring in a melting pot of different cultures and personalities, you're going to have some that clash.. and some of these clashes are going to cause some scars to run deep, then some idiot is going to take his butthurt to the extreme and go out and shoot the guy he doesn't agree with because he thinks the battle's beyond words. That is what's wrong with people these days. When we learn to rely on our words and how we say them instead of a show of force, we'll be living in a much better world. I believe it is for this reason that various peoples hate the United States. They see a nation of aggressors because that's exactly what we are whether we want to admit it or not. We've gone from a nation built on the ideals of freedom and patriotism to a nation that focuses its agenda on foreign policy and essentially becoming the 'police force' of the world when problems in our own country are growing to sky-high levels. George Washington left office pleading with us to stay an isolationist country and to be cautious of treaties.. his words seem to have been forgotten.. now I'm not saying the U.S. should become a North Korea or anything, but we're definitely way too invested in the matters of other countries and should start looking in the proverbial mirror at our own problems.
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MAJ Anthony DeStefano
I think Manifest Destiny was a way to keep bigger more established kids from a different gang out of our playground...
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