Posted on Mar 19, 2017
Are you authorized to wear the 3rd Army patch if you were attached to them for a National Guard deployment (Kuwait, 15-16) in support of OEF?
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I could be wrong, but I thought around 2012 that Kuwaitmwas removed from the list of areas you could receive a combat patch.
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SGM Billy Herrington
You're in the correct place to get an answer though. I'm sure someone will be along with the know.
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SFC Andrew Miller
It was removed in 2014 for OEF for the CENTCOM area, but for OIR you had to be deployed to Iraq, Jordan, or Syria to qualify. There is no end date for OIR yet, but Kuwait was not included in that for SSI-FWTS (combat patch).
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MAJ (Join to see)
It was around June of 2014... I know because I was there and our unit was barely on-ground long enough to be the last group to qualify for the combat patch.
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SGT Jmajik Jmann
MSG & SGT Jamison: That is correct as far as the REG states however; I deployed with 3/505 INF. RGMT. (ABN) 1990--1991 "Operation Desert Shield & Operation Desert Storm" and, I ETS'd in Sept. 1992 however, those operations weren't classified under OEF--OIR at that time thus, a lot of soldiers deployed with various BCTs and other combat & combat support units were authorized to wear ONLY the unit patch that they were deployed with as; the REG has been updated from 2014 as well yet, you had to get issued orders for wear authorization. I'm not sure but, I think that also applies to Reserve and National Guard deployments as well. I'm an old soldier who has been out for over 20 years now but, I STILL HONOR & SALUTE ALL WHO HAVE SERVED OR, WHO ARE STILL SERVING--(regardless of Branch of Service or Unit) because when it comes down to ("Defending the Constitution of the United States and, The United States against all enemies, Foreign and Domestic"), I'm still ready to Lock & Load at a moments notice....I say that in honor of my father who served with 1/75th RGR RGMT 1969--1971 Vietnam--(May he rest in Peace)....Thanks to ALL who gave their input on this issue because I've seen some Veterans at various VA Medical Centers and Clinics wearing Cammo shirts with name tapes--badges--patches yet, I only wear a few hats and not uniforms because I'm not Active anymore...I wore my Full Medal Dress Uniform to my younger brothers' funeral--(He did get a Full Military burial) but since that time, it just hangs in my closet in plastic.........
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Even if you are given a memorandum authorizing you to wear the patch, according to ALARACT 055-2007 you aren't authorized to wear any patch other than your own unit patch. See paragraph 6 for details. It's pretty specific. I have argued this many times, and found that most soldiers will simply wear whatever patch they like regardless of any ALARACT. They always say, "But, I have orders in iperms authorizing it.". Okay, there were bigger fish for me to fry, such as training soldiers, so I never flipped out over it. Now of course I don't wear any patch.
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I just read you comments, and I realized I misunderstood your original question. If you were an individual augmentee, and were given orders, you may wear the patch. Reference the ALARACT, as what circumstances what applies is in there.
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MSG (Join to see)
I think any group of augmentees PLT and smaller can get authorization, but my DOI is 2009.
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SFC Harry H.
MSG (Join to see) - Although it isn't just automatic. One has to be awarded by that unit with orders or memorandum authorizing you to wear the patch.
I had a huge argument with a MSG about this who thought he was automatically authorized to wear the 10th mtn and 82nd AB patch. Just because they were the higher headquarters while he was there during their Change of Command and in country while conducting a recon for 2 weeks before advon and main body showed.
I had a huge argument with a MSG about this who thought he was automatically authorized to wear the 10th mtn and 82nd AB patch. Just because they were the higher headquarters while he was there during their Change of Command and in country while conducting a recon for 2 weeks before advon and main body showed.
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MAJ Raúl Rovira
MSG (Join to see) - MSG, you are correct on that. To add to this, the key words in the ALARACT is "company size".
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Sgt Jamison,
It is dependent if your unit is a separate battalion, company, or detachment under direct control of 3rd Army. Otherwise, your combat (former wartime service insignia) is the brigade our unit is assigned. A separate order is required to wear 3rd Army patch. Consult your S-1 and AR 670-1.
It is dependent if your unit is a separate battalion, company, or detachment under direct control of 3rd Army. Otherwise, your combat (former wartime service insignia) is the brigade our unit is assigned. A separate order is required to wear 3rd Army patch. Consult your S-1 and AR 670-1.
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SGT Lee Jamison
my unit was a group of individuals from different units all over the state that were thrown together and under direct control of 3rd Army.
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I believe receiving a SSI-FWTS (combat patch) for Kuwait was stopped at some point in 2014. I'm pretty sure it coincided with hostile fire pay being cut for Kuwait. SSI-FWTS are authorized for units/Soldiers deployed to Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Jordan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan during the timeframe you're asking about. So if you stayed at Arifjan or Beuhring the whole time, then no SSI-FWTS for your tour. If you were sent into one of these other countries during your tour, then you probably have a case.
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SSG (Join to see)
I was sent from Afghanistan to Kuwait at the end of 2014 and your are correct Kuwait is no longer a combat zone, we had to pay back a months combat pay for being there.
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SGT Lee Jamison
Thank you for the clarification. A lot of the people who went with me had questions about it but no real answers, just a run around the bush answer.
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For the SSI-FWTS (Combat Patch) 31 December 2014 is the end date for Soldiers deployed to the CENTCOM area of operations (including Kuwait) in support of OEF who received combat zone tax exclusion and hostile fire/IDP as identified by CENTCOM Command Center–Joint Staff for Personnel and Administration.
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My unit deployed to Kuwait in 10-11. There was discussion as to what patch we should be allowed to wear but in the end, we went home with bookends. I'm good with that. It's the experience and not the patch that matters in my eyes.
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Yes on the other arm. We received a combat patch while over there during OEF/ OIF.
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This sure still causes issues. Having received my Memorandum prior to 2005 and being retired I'll just stick with my baseball hats!
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The only extra logo patch I had besides the TAC Command Patch and 1st Fighter wing patch was a Rapid deployment logo .
I had my fatigue shirts and field jacket set up with a Velcro backing so I could trade
The 1st fighter wing patch with the RDF patch.. I only got a few of those. I bought
3 an they gave me one.. I put it away for later.. They said I had to turn it back in so I gave them one I had the Velcro backing on.. I was home(it was several years later and I had one on my V.F.W. jacket. With some others. I got told to remove it.. I asked the guy (I had not seen any V.F.W.
name tag on him) under what authority?
He mumbled s'thing about U.S. Code #
---- I asked him if he was with our org. And he said no. I suggested he go find a
U.S. Marshal, he was gone for quite a while and came back with s'body I knew...
"This is as close as I could get.. he's a Master-at-Arms in the Navy!" Retired I added.. . and I dispatched myself.. disappeared for a while..! Went and found some hospitality rooms.. and some flavorful drinks .. I only seen that character 2 more times an' he was busting some other comrade's chops about s'thing... my entire time at convention was fun except for that time. Seems there gots to be s'one Got to throw their weight around...
I had my fatigue shirts and field jacket set up with a Velcro backing so I could trade
The 1st fighter wing patch with the RDF patch.. I only got a few of those. I bought
3 an they gave me one.. I put it away for later.. They said I had to turn it back in so I gave them one I had the Velcro backing on.. I was home(it was several years later and I had one on my V.F.W. jacket. With some others. I got told to remove it.. I asked the guy (I had not seen any V.F.W.
name tag on him) under what authority?
He mumbled s'thing about U.S. Code #
---- I asked him if he was with our org. And he said no. I suggested he go find a
U.S. Marshal, he was gone for quite a while and came back with s'body I knew...
"This is as close as I could get.. he's a Master-at-Arms in the Navy!" Retired I added.. . and I dispatched myself.. disappeared for a while..! Went and found some hospitality rooms.. and some flavorful drinks .. I only seen that character 2 more times an' he was busting some other comrade's chops about s'thing... my entire time at convention was fun except for that time. Seems there gots to be s'one Got to throw their weight around...
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
LTC John Mohor
No sir, I think he was jealous he didn’t get selected to be a RDF member or wanted to be unique and jealous s’body else had a logo patch too ..
No sir, I think he was jealous he didn’t get selected to be a RDF member or wanted to be unique and jealous s’body else had a logo patch too ..
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