Posted on Feb 27, 2014
Army considers Marine Corps camo for new uniforms.
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I think that's a great idea, what do you think?
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I have thought for years that we should have a common uniform with just name tapes to identify our service. The Marines developed a good uniform that has stood the test of time as compared to our ACU and it comes in two colors. I think the services would save a ton of money by going to one uniform, maybe we still keep a separate cover. Last time I checked we all fought for the same team.
Besides how great would it be if we could go into any clothing and sales store and get the items we need vs limited selection on sister service installations.
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I loved the BDU uniform but the multicam uniform would work. I do think in an age where we are trying to save money amidst cutbacks, a lot can be saved by going to one uniform for all branches of service. As stated in another post, it also would make it easier to get what you needed from clothing and sales to go to any MCSS and get what you need.
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1SG Michael Blount
Are we forgetting the subdued rank? I believe that migrated from the Corps to the Army. Saved countless lives
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SSG(P) Auston Terry
"Marine Corps" camo was developed at Natick, formally the US Army Natick Soldier Systems Center.
DA was just dumb enough to let the Marines brand it.
DA was just dumb enough to let the Marines brand it.
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75% of the Army already has multicams and if you turned yours back in they are still somewhere. Why would we spend millions of dollars on the Marine pattern when multicams work just fine?
Straight lines and rectangles are bad news in camo, and the MARPAT has the same digital straight lines and rectangles as the ACUs just in a different color.
Multicam is the way to go.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Digital patterns work very well. The only time your eyes perceives straight lines and squares is up close. At distance, those squares morph into splotches.
The issue with the ACUs was the color palate. The colors used in ACUs are great in urban and rocky environments, but far cry from "universal".
I agree that Mutlicam should be the way to go. When given the choice, most SF type units (SoF, SEAL and even MARSOC) tends to choose it.
The issue with the ACUs was the color palate. The colors used in ACUs are great in urban and rocky environments, but far cry from "universal".
I agree that Mutlicam should be the way to go. When given the choice, most SF type units (SoF, SEAL and even MARSOC) tends to choose it.
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Sgt Jerami Ballard
There's another difference between the ACU and MARPAT in that exact design detail you mention though. That pattern of lines and rectangles on MARPAT was meticulously designed to aid in breaking up not only outline and shape to traditional optics but also to thermal and IR devices as well. There is even a slight difference in the material between the desert and woodland designs. With a PAS-25 thermal, I can read your nametapes and rank patch from across the room, I have to be about 2ft from MARPAT to do the same, because of the difference in light deflection and heat dispersion that the patterns provide. The color palate was like icing on the cake. The UCP was a de facto example of backroom dealings and lack of actual oversight and leadership accountability. The only person in the Army who thought UCP was the better choice than Scorpion W2 (the Army's multicam pattern) was the guy who made his millions off of the choice.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
From what I've read both MARPAT and UCP share the same screens, just different color palettes. So the base patterns are the same and were derived from CADPAT originally, and I think that both AORs share the same screens as well except that one of the AORs has their screens rotated so that the pattern is more vertical than either MARPAT, UCP, and the other AOR.
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Riddle me this though, if the rest of the DOD were to adopt MARPAT, what about the finer points of the uniform? I'm my opinion there would need to be a uniform method for displaying rank. Would the Air Force and the Army be asked to change to an eight-point cover? Do all the breast pockets now become slanted. When Navy Corpsmen, Doctors, Chaplains etc. wear our uniform, they wear it to our uniform regulations. They use pin-on insignia and badges, rather than the sew on patches they are used to. I think that if MARPAT is to be extended to the other branches, then they should follow suit, to include sleeve rolling regulations, with the only exception being to replace our Eagle, Globe and Anchor with respective branch insignia.
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SSgt Randy Saulsberry
they would also have to remove the hidden Eagle, Globe, and Anchors from the pattern that they use as well
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I like the MARPAT much better than the ACU's and multi cam. However, I don't really care what uniform they give us. I just hope that we get a uniform that looks more professional than what we have, has a better life expectancy/quality, less Velcro and the same standard across all DOD. It gets old buying a new uniform ever 4 - 6 months. If I'm lucky I can get mine to last the full six months they are expected to last.
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Whichever way we go - let's just stick with it!! The idea of a DoD wide uniform (Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy) is also being tossed around.
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SSG Zachery Mitchell
DOD should have the same utility uniform across the board. Out of the ones currently in use the MarPat wins hands down.
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If it is changed to a multi branch uniform, then the strict regs we Marines have for our uniforms must also be followed. That means that NO cammies are to be worn outside of the base except while traveling in your car. No more allowing Navy, Army, or Air Force to walk through civilian businesses in Cammy Uniform. Marines are not allowed. This is just another reason why we have a higher professionalism. Taking pride in our appearance in public. All uniform regs for the MARPAT uniform if accepted as a whole DOD change must also be in place for the other respective branches. But, in my opinion, we need our separate identities as military branches and the different cammies that are worn today give us that. Thats why they were changed from the Woodland BDU to what they are now for each branch.
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Originally, I believe USMC had a copyright on that design, and that's what led the other services to make their own versions. Assuming that is no longer an issue, I believe the USMC uniforms would be an excellent one for use across the board.
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