Posted on Jan 10, 2014
Army Promotion Command List Integration: Good or bad?
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As a Commander/1SG, why would you circle yes for a Soldier to be integrated onto the CLI? If you believe the Soldier is ready to be promoted to SGT/SSG why not just send them to the promotion board?
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Said soldier should of been sent to the board a long time ago. if the CLI kicks in then some one made a mistake, either the soldier or his/her leadership.
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I've only seen 2 people get promoted from CLI and let me tell you it wasn't good. One
sergeant went to WLC failed out and continued to be a bad soldier. Didn't even have a car and always bummed cigerettes and was bad with money...yet they still pinned him. Few months down the road he was chaptered out as a PFC. The other sergeant was borderline insane and was always talking about chemtrails and illuminati and was embarasing to be around. But he ETSd a few months later. If it was up to me I would only promote those that want it, not just hand it out because you don't want to see someone RCP.
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MSG (Join to see)
My unit is dealing with this right now. A SGT that came to my unit promoted by CLI and doesn't know ANYTHING. No SSD-1, no WLC, and continues to walk around our troop saying, "I'm a private at heart". I can't count how many times this NCO has gotten pulled to the side by multiple leaders to include our 1SG to be corrected on his leadership and competence. And on top of everything, will not go out to buy himself ASU's as he still wears dress greens.
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What that's crazy, I'd contact his last unit and ask "why". I see your a cav scout and if he's a team leader in charge of troops and responible for them and their lives I hope he gets squared away quick. SSD1 is easy you can do that in a weekend and he should get pushed for WLC as a priority.
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MSG (Join to see)
Well he cant go to WLC with dress Green's. Our 1SG or CSM wont allow it plus you need ASUs. His last NCOER was horrible and is looking at going to a reduction board right now. He in no way shape of form is ready to lead Soldiers.
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When the program was first instituted my 1SG and CDR set down all the leaders and discussed the CLI with them. Their prospective was and is right on target. The CLI is there to make sure a deserving Soldier is not over looked but, if as a leader you are properly counseling your Soldier's and setting EXACT goals that the Soliders need to meet to be promoted then the CLI will never come into play. It is the leaders responsibility to prepare the young Soldier for advancement. Each Soldier should be given a chance to become a leader; if the leaders are doing their job properly, the Soldiers who do not posses the proper qualities will be weeded out.
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I believe that if a Soldier is getting close to his RCP as a SPC or SGT he needs to rethink his time in the Army. I firmly believe that if you want to earn the next rank that its all on you not your chain of command and it shouldn't come down to his 1SG putting him on the CLI list in order to allow him the time to develop.
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CSM Mike Maynard
SSG Zelbst, and that is going to be a thing of the past shortly - when promotable status does not increase your RCP.
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I understand the RCP has changed; my thought is that you need to push yourself to earn that next rank and not wait until last minute (RCP). I have met many people who gripe about not getting promoted but I know from experience that if you bust your ass it will happen.
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So im a SPC in the army and my mos is (11B). Lets look at it at my point of view. You have NCO's going to the board passing by just saying the creed or barely knowing there information. You have NCO's in your company who are hot garbage at there job and lazy. BUT you still passed them at the board, BUT there still a SGT leading the younger soldiers down a terrible path. I understand there are great NCO's in the army but lets be real a lot of them are not worthy to be apart of the CORE OF NON COMMISSION OFFICERS.
Now I went to BLC before going to the board then after BLC did not attend the promotion board, I received orders to be a SGT... BUT like most of the people on this page my 1SGT denied it making some BS excuse, and then all my counseling that they wanted me to sign saying I'm not good enough to be a SGT made me laugh because every non-promo they made dumb excuses why they didn't want me to get it.
Im a E-4 with almost 6 years in and I work harder then 90% of the NCO's in my company I've been a Team Leader most of my career and Squad Leader for some as well. I always take care of my soldiers, I constantly train my soldiers to my standard which is way above everyone else's... Im great at counseling and i am extremely confident. I know my creeds as well. BUT since I don't go to the board my leadership sees me as a piece of shit... Makes me laugh.
So do you want a NCO who is trash who passed the board with just saying the creed or do you want to circle yes on that CLI on some of your soldiers you probably don't pay attention to and watch them outshine all your current NCO's.
I just wrote this because I was looking for information on CLI and I found this page and was just amazed about how most higher leadership thinks, and I just wanted y'all to have someone on the other side explain it from the perspective.
Now I went to BLC before going to the board then after BLC did not attend the promotion board, I received orders to be a SGT... BUT like most of the people on this page my 1SGT denied it making some BS excuse, and then all my counseling that they wanted me to sign saying I'm not good enough to be a SGT made me laugh because every non-promo they made dumb excuses why they didn't want me to get it.
Im a E-4 with almost 6 years in and I work harder then 90% of the NCO's in my company I've been a Team Leader most of my career and Squad Leader for some as well. I always take care of my soldiers, I constantly train my soldiers to my standard which is way above everyone else's... Im great at counseling and i am extremely confident. I know my creeds as well. BUT since I don't go to the board my leadership sees me as a piece of shit... Makes me laugh.
So do you want a NCO who is trash who passed the board with just saying the creed or do you want to circle yes on that CLI on some of your soldiers you probably don't pay attention to and watch them outshine all your current NCO's.
I just wrote this because I was looking for information on CLI and I found this page and was just amazed about how most higher leadership thinks, and I just wanted y'all to have someone on the other side explain it from the perspective.
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I’ll give you a personal example since I’m looking at CLI this month. I made E-5 in December 2014 and attended ALC in June 2015. I was requesting to go to the board and preparing months ahead of eligibility. At the same time, I was waiting to go to the Civil Affairs Qualification Course. My command refused to send me to a board with the reason being my reclass. Tried to resolve it with IG but my CA Course had started and it was too late to attend the board before my class date. After attending SOCM and part of the Q I left the course to attend college and go back to engineering. When you leave the course you’re transferred to a holding company while you await orders. All in all, you can face 2-3 years with unrated time and no chance to attend a board. The CLI is the only way to get promoted in that situation.
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I wasn't the only one that was on the list myself and another specialist that came out of the reserves I was active duty at that time for years. We both got counseling statements not only that but then we were also told that we had to make our E5 in a certain amount of time within our MOS,(88m) or ETS or choose another MOS ( transition to another MOS) the other specialist made his E5 and I med board out. Threw my back out the last deployment to Iraq
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Free rides???? What .ok I got into a little of trouble and my commander had to take me off the list.
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