Posted on Jan 10, 2024
As a veteran do you prefer to be a "quiet professional" or "outspoken patriot"?
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I have come to learn, from many men and women better than I, that there is cause to be both. As society ebbs and flows around us it takes maturity to navigate which situation calls for what. Lately, I have had many tell me not to be so reluctant in public to speak out, that the "quiet professional" is sometimes damaging as it leaves the very important voice of veterans absent in the conversation.
Personaly, I prefer to try and exercise the former more than the latter, given that in the civilian sector I believe humility should precede anything I say about the military. However, I'm also very aggressive and candid. So I'm probably perceived more often as the outspoken patriot, especially given my sense of humor. Around the office one day, people divvied up the staff for fun to see who would win in a war against each other. They deemed that the decisive element was me. They told me it was because "You're always talking about violence and destroying things. You're probably the only one that actually knows warfare." Hooray! I'm making a difference!
Personaly, I prefer to try and exercise the former more than the latter, given that in the civilian sector I believe humility should precede anything I say about the military. However, I'm also very aggressive and candid. So I'm probably perceived more often as the outspoken patriot, especially given my sense of humor. Around the office one day, people divvied up the staff for fun to see who would win in a war against each other. They deemed that the decisive element was me. They told me it was because "You're always talking about violence and destroying things. You're probably the only one that actually knows warfare." Hooray! I'm making a difference!
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For me it's all about time and place. I consider myself a patriot and am very proud of my service. But with that said sometimes the time and place isn't appropriate for flag waving and you just need to sit on it and chill out. Some people try way to hard trying to be what I call a Professional Veteran when half the time they were that terminal Lance that hated every day they were in and were a hassle to work with.
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I am currently working in a defense related industry, and am lucky to be surrounded by many like minded individuals, Prior service/retirees are highly sought after in this industry. I also work in a corporate America environment where "inclusion" has become the norm when hiring practices are involved. (This is not going to be a political speech). I have been working here 22 + years and have seen a significant change in what are considered to be acceptable behaviors. When I started this job, right out of the military, we were able to talk "there I was" stories during lunch in the facility cafeteria. We could be outspoken about our military history. But, over the years, we have seen many individuals get counseled over there conversations that were overheard by "them" (being the people of the NON-Veteran variety).. They did not like the talk of violence and graphic discussions. Even though they were considered very mild by our standards. As of today, I prefer the quiet humble approach, while at work or out in public, this is mostly to prevent myself from becoming a YOUTUBE/TIK TOK video from some peace loving commie type.
I will give a hats off to all of you outspoken types who love that confrontation and will stand behind you if ever needed though.
I will give a hats off to all of you outspoken types who love that confrontation and will stand behind you if ever needed though.
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1LT (Join to see)
That is a very succinct description of some of the tension inside of the issue at hand. To this end, I think this tension is a core part of the American DNA. The political liberty so dearly beloved by our founding fathers and written into the fabric of our constitution, in a sense, depends on the boldness of veterans to push against those cultural restraints who restrict the speech and admiration of the efforts that go into the pursuit and defense of American liberty in a fallen world.
It's not about feelings, ultimately. Or at least, it shouldn't be.
It's not about feelings, ultimately. Or at least, it shouldn't be.
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I find it important to be a little of both, it depends on the situation and or the circumstances plus conversation. I have been there done that and have a silent respect about it, However there are times when you need to let your hair down and just have some humorous patriotic fun.
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Am I loud and proud of what I accomplished, you damn right! I wear clothing and hats that have military themes. I was in the active Army for 20+years and I am very proud of that. If it offends you then stay away from me. Other than my clothing and manners/way of addressing people I do not broadcast the fact until I hear someone speaking about the military in a bad way or attempting to pass themselves off as a veteran or suspected stolen valor. I will not stay quiet about my service and will always defend my brothers and sisters in arms.
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I find that it is important to speak when necessary. Think before you speak. Also, when it comes to opinion, the only person who cares about my opinion is myself. So for me I stick to facts and details.
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I agree with both. I don’t need my veteran status to make up my whole identity.
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I like to think of myself as the former the majority of the time, but have become the latter on occasion. I will answer a direct question about my time in uniform, but only tell them the funny stuff. It's too hard to explain the bad things. The most I've ever said was the following: "We have seen and done things that no rational human being should ever see or do."
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When on active duty, I preferred to be the former, when I was retired, the latter.
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I am A PUFL member of the American Legion and a life member of the Vietnam Veterans of America I participate in our activities. I wear hats with indicators of my retirement from the Airforce and affiliations to the groups in public on occasion I wear coats that indicate the same. I fly the flag on my house and a small veteran flag. I will discuss my experiences when asked.
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CPO Jack De Merit
I am the same. I have always flown a flag at home and on my car. I wear a Vietnam Veteran hat every time I leave the house. I wear a USS Kearsarge jacket as well. As I said in my comment, I will talk about my service but leave out the 49 visits I had in Vietnam because it nobody's business but mine and I can live with it.
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Absolutely both...what irks me is the "quiet professionals" we used to be was just that...you served, you did what was ordered, then you retired and that was that. Now a day every person who enters special forces is already working on their book, their movie deal, their expose...cashing in on what they did in uniform...basically just a media whore in the making. I was not in special forces, just a boomer squid.
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