At what moment does the US military separate itself from the government when thinking the Soldiers creed and oath of enlistment ?

Interesting question with an equally interesting discussion. I am finding some responses here by some RP members very different regarding the incomining CIC/NCA than their stances on the same relative topic titles (aka similar questions) regarding the outgoing CIC/NCA. Just an observation........

When what they are asking or demanding is for the military to conduct actions against the citizens that violate the Constitution . And when those actions are based on political agenda not laws supported by the constitution . And When a law is passed that violates the rights of the people or any of the states it is not a law it is tyranny disguised as law . And it then becomes a duty to refuse to comply .

The military is the keeper of the country's values. Senior generals are statesmen as well. They will look at the constitutionality, regulations, and laws to guide them to do the right thing. A jackass president does not have a free reign of the military.

Hell no

The moment comes when you our your officers decide the orders of the President and Congress do not follow the Constitution which if you notice in your oath is your first allegiance. If you win you will be a hero of the New Revolution. If you lose you will be lucky if you are only shot. The best you can hope for is a lot of good people will die and not a few people unwilling to follow the Constitution will die. That said I would save committing Munity for a time when it appeared to me the Munity will cause fewer casualties than following orders. May this be a decision you never feel required to make.

Bottom line, and I hope someone made that clear is that if you want to challenge your leadership to follow the letter of the constitution and UCMJ, then you had better be an expert in the field of constitutional law. Two hundred forty-five years this July 4th and we are still debating the constitution and what it was meant to mean. One thing you can keep in mind about using the Military against our citizens is covered by the Posse Comitatus Act that expressly forbids the use of the military to execute civilian law unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.

Lets look at it from a governmental point of view of checks and balances. Congress certified the electoral votes. Pence certified the elections. All the Federal and Supreme Court fraud cases were denied due to a lack of evidence. With this preponderance of evidence if I was the SECDEF I would tell the generals to stand down.

If Trump signed the insurrection act then legally ,at that point,COG demands that upon confirmed knowledge of a coup is factual, then they (you) must act to preserve the Republic, from a rampant Democratic ,socialist, attack ,as sworn. THAT is 2 big "if's
We are waiting too.
Until further info I follow LEOs,you follow orders..."price of honor" shit.

In 1968 hundreds of military riot squads were ordered to Chicago for the Democratic convention.Our orders were to control the crowd.We marched in line with bayonets pointing at civilians.Although we forced them into certain areas,we knew these were Americans.Try as we may to not injure anyone it happened.I dispised Lyndon Johnson.He was purely a politician without a sign of military ability.ie Vietnam the USS Pueblo and others.But we followed his orders.That's how it's done.

Re: Orders. If lawful, obey it, if not, don't obey. If in a grey area, tactfully ask for clarification. As to the C-in-C, no one says you have to respect the individual. But you do have to respect the position. Much like active duty.