Posted on Mar 24, 2014
Banning Tobacco Sales on Military Installations
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Good idea or bad idea? Why or why not?<br><br><span style="color: rgb(75, 73, 66); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 22px;">The Navy is on the verge of eliminating tobacco sales on all its bases and ships. If implemented, should the rest of the military follow suit?</span><br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.armyreenlistment.com/profile.gif"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armyreenlistment.com/news-banning-tobacco-sales.html">Navy mulls banning tobacco sales on all bases, ships</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">10 Years Army Strong for Soldiers and Families</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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Here is my semi-related question: How many times as a leader did anyone get a phone call in the middle of the night from the MPs to come pick up a Soldier who was involved in a 'tobacco related incident'?
Yes, tobacco impacts a person's health, but so does Taco Bell and Burger King and RedBull and Monster and Cheetos and (insert infinite list of unhealthy foods/drinks here), but does it impact good order and discipline anywhere near the extent that alcohol does? Why is everyone so hellbent against smokers when it is drinkers that seem to cause the vast majority of indiscipline in our ranks?
Just my $.02
Yes, tobacco impacts a person's health, but so does Taco Bell and Burger King and RedBull and Monster and Cheetos and (insert infinite list of unhealthy foods/drinks here), but does it impact good order and discipline anywhere near the extent that alcohol does? Why is everyone so hellbent against smokers when it is drinkers that seem to cause the vast majority of indiscipline in our ranks?
Just my $.02
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CW2 Eric Scott
You know what impacts a persons health more than tobacco; war. can you imagine if someone actually called you to pick up a joe buying dip.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Here is my semi-related question: How many times as a leader did anyone get a phone call in the middle of the night from the MPs to come pick up a Soldier who was involved in a 'tobacco related incident'?
Fair enough observation Chief..
So a response question.. When was the last time you had an SM take a "Alcohol break" every hour for 10, 15, 20min at a time?
The SM that got drunk last night...Is his night vision impacted tonight while on guard duty, like the SM who is smoking all night?
The SM that went clubbing last night, do they create a nasty cloud of stench at the entrance of the building, that follows them back in to the work place after every "smoke break"? Even if you are lucky enough to have a unit / post that enforces the min distance from building, entrance and smoking only in designated areas the stench follows the smoker back in the work place.
Abuse of alcohol is a serious issue and a drain on resources NO DOUBT. But it is not a valid excuse for allowing another serious issue and a drain on resources.
Posted >1 y ago
Here is my semi-related question: How many times as a leader did anyone get a phone call in the middle of the night from the MPs to come pick up a Soldier who was involved in a 'tobacco related incident'?
Fair enough observation Chief..
So a response question.. When was the last time you had an SM take a "Alcohol break" every hour for 10, 15, 20min at a time?
The SM that got drunk last night...Is his night vision impacted tonight while on guard duty, like the SM who is smoking all night?
The SM that went clubbing last night, do they create a nasty cloud of stench at the entrance of the building, that follows them back in to the work place after every "smoke break"? Even if you are lucky enough to have a unit / post that enforces the min distance from building, entrance and smoking only in designated areas the stench follows the smoker back in the work place.
Abuse of alcohol is a serious issue and a drain on resources NO DOUBT. But it is not a valid excuse for allowing another serious issue and a drain on resources.
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Maj John Bell
SGM Erik Marquez - I get your point, but the problem you list are a leadership problem. Sigh... I guess all problems are leadership problems. Smokers hated being assigned to my units.
No smoking, dip, or chew in the field. It compromises position and disposition by light, odor, and residue.
No smoking, dip, or chew in garrison, particularly watch; from morning quarters until securing for the day the smoking lamp was NOT lit. The only exception was the designated smoker's area outside the mess hall during designated meal times.
No smoking, dip, or chew in the field. It compromises position and disposition by light, odor, and residue.
No smoking, dip, or chew in garrison, particularly watch; from morning quarters until securing for the day the smoking lamp was NOT lit. The only exception was the designated smoker's area outside the mess hall during designated meal times.
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<div>Sounds like another failed policy in the making. If alcohol is sold then tobacco products too should be sold. This political correct society that thinks it needs to monitor and control every aspect of lives has got to stop. What is next whole milk in lieu of 2%. Stop the madness stop it now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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LTC Paul Labrador
My issue is who gets to make the judgement call that something is "bad." It's like when AAFES stated they will stop selling "adult" magazine because some conservative groups had a hissy fit. I can see not selling them where GO #1 is in effect, but who is to say that they are "immoral" otherwise?
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Anyone who has used an MWR facility since 1997 (if I remember right that's when they made the law) can thank a large amount of the facility was funded buy smokers. If you look at a pack of cigarettes from on post they do not contain a state tax stamp but smokers still pay a the same amount of a tax it goes to the MWR.
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I was wondering about that. I noticed no special markings on them. That is pretty cool.
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Shit if they ban that they might as well start making Kale MREs and try banning war all together. So long as there is a chance I could get shot in my face the least I'm going to do is make sure there is Skoal in there somewhere.
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What does it accomplish?
The only thing this will force me to do is make sure my car tag is current, i have valid insurance and my CAC card with me to get back through the gate! Ill just drive 1 more mile off post and pay the state taxes! Are they doing this to help the local economy?
The only thing this will force me to do is make sure my car tag is current, i have valid insurance and my CAC card with me to get back through the gate! Ill just drive 1 more mile off post and pay the state taxes! Are they doing this to help the local economy?
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I am not a smoker with the exception of a cigar now and then, but removal of tobacco doesn't solve the problem. Soldiers will continue to smoke or dip if that is there prerogative. Like many of you have stated, where does this end? Beer, liquor, wine? Will junk food be next? The notion that removing items from the racks at the PX will stop behavior is ludicrous.
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Horrible idea - everyone knows when you ban something from the military men and women they go against the flow just to prove a point. I understand their thought process but I think this is the wrong way of attacking it.
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I'm a non-tobacco user to start. However, this feels the same as banning large sodas, corn syrup, and other things that may be harmful to you. It teaches nothing. Service members are suppose to have discipline, both physical as well as mental. Do I agree with smoking? Not in the least. Should the sale be banned? NO! That is a very slippery slope.
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MSG, I personally use tobacco products and my opinion will try and be as unbiased as possible. I do not think the rest of the military should follow suit. I understand the public health concerns, however, smoking areas are designated in order to mitigate that risk and if people who don't smoke want to hang around the smoke pit that's on them. It is and should always be the Soldiers decision to smoke or chew. By regulation the use of tobacco products are only used in the designated smoking area, so i see no problem with tobacco being sold.
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WHY would you want to do that? If you smoke you smoke if you don't smoke you don't smoke. You shouldn't be so concerned about other peoples habits. As long as they aren't blowning smoke in your face what's the problem?
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