Posted on Jun 3, 2014
Being addressed/addressing others by rank after retirement
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I fall into category 2, but was curious what others thought. From my RallyPoint experience I can see there is a lot of respect for rank among retirees and from active service members. Even locally when I run into my comrades, we all address each other by rank out of respect. Even though I tell people to call me by my first name, It still feels good to hear it.
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I use it where I feel it is appropriate to shows respect, but I don't harp on it.
I work around a lot of retirees that were in my chain before they retired. I use Mr. and their rank interchangeably.
Air Force Regs do not make the use of their rank mandatory, but optional as a sign of respect.
I work around a lot of retirees that were in my chain before they retired. I use Mr. and their rank interchangeably.
Air Force Regs do not make the use of their rank mandatory, but optional as a sign of respect.
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The retiree has earned the rank, so it is never inappropriate to use it UNLESS the circumstance specifically calls for some other form of address or regulations dictate otherwise. Examples: AR 25-50 specifies that retired Soldiers serving as Government civilians only use military rank regarding their personal retirement issues (i.e., not in the workplace). Strictly speaking, while they were in their post-military government roles, Director or Doctor Petraeus or Secretary Shinseki rather than "General," though "General" would certainly have been appropriate if they were in their retired uniform and/or at a function based on their former capacity. While I (having recently retired) never plan to insist on being addressed as "Colonel," I will certainly respond to it as appropriate and (unless/until I take a government civilian or other job that requires me to do otherwise) note it where appropriate in professional and social circles. (In my own case, I could be in situations where I or others would be choosing between "Colonel" or "Doctor" as being more appropriate.)
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
COL (Join to see) Interesting Colonel. I am long retired and aged! A MD continually addressed me as ‘Chief’.
When I told him I had been a SGM, he replied that he had bern a COL!
He must have been a retired USAF MD to address an old fellow such as myself as a Chief?
When I told him I had been a SGM, he replied that he had bern a COL!
He must have been a retired USAF MD to address an old fellow such as myself as a Chief?
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It should be used by a junior to a senior, but never require outside of active duty. Likewise respect should be shown for the junior, especially retired. Most Marines I know (NOLOAD or no longer on active duty) use certain enlisted ranks as a nickname......e.g. Many people still cal me Gunny and I know a retired First Sergeant we all call Top (and a Master Gunnery Sgt who will always be MasterGuns). I think we generally follow the advice handed us from the Royal Marines. "A senior officer, if he is a gentleman, will never bring it to mind, and the junior, if he is a gentleman, never forgets it". And this courtesy continues life long (unless the receiver says to knock it off)
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I have a retired 2 star Marine General on my mail route, he insists I call him by his first name, I do and as two Marines we joke and laugh a lot over past experiences.
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It's a nice thng to do, if you know the rank, and it's in the proper setting. I gives the retiree a oment of pride, and is a great conversation opener.
I agree with CPO (Join to see). If a retiree demands that you address them by their rank, no matter the time and place, that person wouldn't hear it come from me from that point moving forward.
I agree with CPO (Join to see). If a retiree demands that you address them by their rank, no matter the time and place, that person wouldn't hear it come from me from that point moving forward.
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Rank means nothing to civilians, and may actually hinder communications. I do use my rank when I communicate with members of Congress or other government officials when discussing military matters. With other veterans, I use the other person's rank as a sign of respect, but don't insist on anyone recognizing my rank.
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Somehow this 5 year old question popped up in my feed but to the original posters question, I do use rank for those retired. In most cases with me as an officer its me referring to retired enlisted far more so than other O's..I guess I know more enlisted these days. But why shouldn't I use their title? It doesn't hurt, harm, or bother me in the least. They earned their title after years of service to their country. Me using it is a very easy way to show respect to someone who dedicated that much of their life to protecting the freedoms of others.
Would I insist on anyone using my title once I'm retired, certainly not but I wouldn't mind if they did. :)
Would I insist on anyone using my title once I'm retired, certainly not but I wouldn't mind if they did. :)
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I refer to older retired Sergeants Major as such out of respect, I feel odd calling guys Bill or Ed when they have always been "Sergeant Major" to me. Same with officers I worked for or with even though none would be offended if I called them by name.
I run into it myself and what I am called pretty much tells what time frame I knew people. To Guys who I had in my Squads and Platoons; I'm Sergeant Saint, Folks who were in the company I'm "Top" and those from the Battalions it's Sergeant Major. I gave up telling them to call me Richard or Rick long ago and am just happy they remember me and take a moment to stop and say hi.
I run into it myself and what I am called pretty much tells what time frame I knew people. To Guys who I had in my Squads and Platoons; I'm Sergeant Saint, Folks who were in the company I'm "Top" and those from the Battalions it's Sergeant Major. I gave up telling them to call me Richard or Rick long ago and am just happy they remember me and take a moment to stop and say hi.
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