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Can 2LT who is in charge of PT counsel another 2LT for failing?
2LT
Officer
Physical Training
Counseling
Edited >1 y ago
Posted >1 y ago
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Rank is only one of the many ways we designate authority. It is generally the default, but TIS, TIG, and billet can give service members positional authority over each other (circumstance). Counselling is both a formal and an informal process of addressing issues (both positive and negative) and anyone can counsel anyone. How much weight that counselling has is another story (based on positional authority).
If you are in a position of authority over another person, you can absolutely formally counsel them regarding things within your scope of responsibility.
In your above example, it can be as simple as "WTF was that about?" (informal) or "Said named soldier failed to meet expectations on X date" (formal and in writing with plan to correct).
If you are in a position of authority over another person, you can absolutely formally counsel them regarding things within your scope of responsibility.
In your above example, it can be as simple as "WTF was that about?" (informal) or "Said named soldier failed to meet expectations on X date" (formal and in writing with plan to correct).
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Your story lacks some key facts LT. Officers of equal rank can counsel each other, IF directed to do so by a Commander. Since this 2LT is charged with Physical Readiness, I assume your commander may have directed you be counseled and then the Commander (Company/Troop/Battery or Battalion) should Flag you. It shocks me that a 2LT would fail an APFT or fail at PT period. You’re to young to be failing fitness tests at your age. When I was a Company Commander I had Captains in my Company who reported to me as the Commander. I counseled them and even wrote thier OERs. I had to load my assumption of Command orders as an attachment into thier OER to validate why I was rating them, this happens more often than you think. At the end of the day, this is not a topic to address in RP, speak with your peer and commander and address it like an officer should. If things like this upset you then you’re going to have a short lived career as an officer. Good luck and start working on your fitness.
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SSG Thomas Gallegos
At first I had the same thought about it being on RP. However this is a site of proven Veterans of many different ranks that can offer advice.
Yes this LT needs to work I their PT. Moreover what does chastising them about bringing it to RP and seeking advice have to do with them seeking advice?
Yes this LT needs to work I their PT. Moreover what does chastising them about bringing it to RP and seeking advice have to do with them seeking advice?
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MAJ Samuel Weber
SSG Thomas Gallegos it was intent to have this young officer think about thier problems first. Nothing complex about this issue, but it was evident that they didn’t first perform their own due diligence before asking a question. As an officer, I feel it is my obligation to help this more junior officer “think” first then act. This generation seems to go to social media for any issue and not try to resolve it themselves first. Make sense? You calling me out is in contradiction with your own point...
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I would. Remember mg Philip Feir. Command of Cadets at west point when the cheating scandal occurred. I was living in company grade quarters. The dam washer kept breaking. Any way I was in 519th Maintaince Company. DS/GS. Back up to the division. The division was broken. Lot of history with the 7th. LT's are weak and need warrant officer help. If your Lt is giving you crap accept it and get in shape. Loser
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