Posted on Oct 11, 2016
Can a commander enforce a battle buddy policy when you take leave?
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This may sound dumb, but S2 is saying the BDE commanders policy is that if you want to go to a third world country (in this case, Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines) you must bring a battle buddy with you on leave. I have never heard of anything like this before. Is this actually enforceable?
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SGT (Join to see) I have seen policy like that before, but you can ask their definition of a battle buddy. I seen it where it has to be military, and I have seen it where it can be your girlfriend, husband, whatever as long as it's not the taxi driver or something like that
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Yeah it can be anyone, however people not in Korea can't take 3 weeks of leave whenever they want or it's too expensive or too far. I'm just going to let it go. I'll just check out Angkor wat when I get out. Thanks for your reply
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Access Aircraft and Personnel Automated Clearance System (APACS) via:
https://apacs.dtic.mil/apacs/login.jsp
When you fill out the countries you want to visit you need to click on the Foreign Clearance Guide (FCG) icon next to the countries you are visiting. The FCG will outline everything you need in order to visit the country. The two main points are Country Clearance, Theater Clearance and/or Special Area Clearance. All training (AT Level 1, ISOPREP, SERE, etc.) needs to be up to date as well as other training requirements which are country specific. Additionally, you will have lead time requirements for submitting your request (usually 14-30 days before travel). All this should be known to your S2, start with them first if you have questions. How do I know all this about APACS? I work in the U.S. Defense Attaché Office (USDAO) and we handle these all the time.
One final note. If you thoroughly enjoy filling out this tremendous headache of bureaucracy to take leave in a foreign country, then you may enjoy a tour as an Attaché NCO working in a USDAO. Of course, we do much more than just grant clearances into a country. It is a great Special Duty Assignment and I would highly recommend it to anyone, especially those who love to travel.
https://apacs.dtic.mil/apacs/login.jsp
When you fill out the countries you want to visit you need to click on the Foreign Clearance Guide (FCG) icon next to the countries you are visiting. The FCG will outline everything you need in order to visit the country. The two main points are Country Clearance, Theater Clearance and/or Special Area Clearance. All training (AT Level 1, ISOPREP, SERE, etc.) needs to be up to date as well as other training requirements which are country specific. Additionally, you will have lead time requirements for submitting your request (usually 14-30 days before travel). All this should be known to your S2, start with them first if you have questions. How do I know all this about APACS? I work in the U.S. Defense Attaché Office (USDAO) and we handle these all the time.
One final note. If you thoroughly enjoy filling out this tremendous headache of bureaucracy to take leave in a foreign country, then you may enjoy a tour as an Attaché NCO working in a USDAO. Of course, we do much more than just grant clearances into a country. It is a great Special Duty Assignment and I would highly recommend it to anyone, especially those who love to travel.
Aircraft and Personnel Automated Clearance System
The USG routinely intercepts and monitors communications on this IS for purposes including, but not limited to, penetration testing, COMSEC monitoring, network operations and defense, personnel misconduct (PM), law enforcement (LE), and counterintelligence (CI) investigations.
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Thank you SFC, this was mentioned in the S2 paperwork, but they said they woupd handle this portion. I'll check it out. I do actually love to travel, that's why I wanted to take advantage of my location in South Korea and the prices. Is USDAO MOS specific? Thanks for the insight!
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One interesting tidbit. When I took leave to South Africa in 2010 the requirement was for the first GO in your CoC sign your leave form. Couldn't be delegated down to local commander.
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SFC (Join to see) - I think that's pretty much how it is here, because of the risk.
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An assignment in the USDAO is not MOS specific. Talk to your Career Counselor about the requirements. The application window is after you complete 50% of your assignment and before come down on orders to a new assignment.
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Bingo, force protection issue. Also you'll see in many of these countries the AMEMB sets a policy for being out in town that MIL forces must comply with. We were 2 minimum in Phnom Penh and 3 when up north or more. Then you had to figure out what RCAF or "contractor" assets you might need depending on how much you were off in the sticks. BTW same rules for work or play. We usually had a local driver with AK hardware in the trunk for immediate access. If he gets knocked off, it's not US assets that get taken.
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Yep it's definitely ForcePro as the reason, it just seems a bit weird that the air force doesn't have the same restrictions even though we're both in SK. It's impossible for me to find someone to take 4 weeks of leave with me to these places. Everyone wants to go home to see family, I however will end up staying here without midtour and just save leave I guess.
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If memory serves, there are threat areas which require Commanders approval-even if the service member is from that region. Tying the Buddy System to it may be a stretch, having said that, if the area is restricted the Commander can otherwise disapprove. I would contact JAG for an opinion.
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As far as I know it's not restricted, or wasn't at the time (president Duarte has since gone nuts). My air force buddy down in osan says he can travel to any of those countries on his own, and works in Intel so one would think he would know whether it's restricted or not. I may just wait til I'm back in the US and fork out the 1300ish to visit, the army does a great job dissuading people
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If you're going to another Country, they may be able to simply to minimize the risks. You are a government asset of course. On normal shore leave that would be ridiculous, but overseas it might be more enforceable. Especially considering some of those countries you list are involved in both sex trafficking and drug trafficking. I don't know if there's an order saying he can't enforce it, but I don't think you'll get your leave approved otherwise.
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Yeah, and certain parts of say, the Philippines for example, have Muslim extremists.
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I have not heard of this before. I think your BDE commander is looking at it as a force protection issue. You may need to consult with S-1 shop to review regs and policy. Also there may be a list of countries with travel advisories to service members. Hey battles, who can shine a light with this issue?
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Yeah SFC, it's pretty much that unless you're from SE Asia, you have to have a battle buddy. AFAIK it's only for those stationed here in South Korea, only applies to army in the area. But when I asked S2 for the policies they couldn't give it to me. S1 had only the checklist for the packet.
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They are 3rd world countries with locals and governments having a tendency to be hostile towards Americans and especially American military service members.
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Must be an Army thing - I've traveled to the Philippines (Jan 2016) and Bali (Indonesia) by myself (Sep 2015). Not a big fan of traveling by myself but my friends and hubby were too busy to join me those times.
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Why would you risk your safety by going to such places !! that's just dumb in my opinion. Europe or Caribbean seem like much safer places and as long as you don't walk around waiving an American flag saying "look here, American walking here" and present yourself as a potential target you should be fine plus grow some facial hair and don't look like a GI.
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No when travelling I always try to blend in. No haircut, no shaving. I travel a lot. But theres a lot of history in SE Asia. 8th wonder of the world, the largest religious temple in the world - angkor wat. Then there's the killing fields, the high school torture prison where they tortured and killed 100 people a day. The Philippines has beautiful beaches and reefs. It's all so close by and a 3 week trip from South Korea would cost 2-3k at most. All that is pretty much why I want to go there. Not to mention all the festivals and food.
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I just spent a month traveling these countries and didn't feel threatened at all they are actually very nice towards Americans.
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