Posted on Feb 11, 2022
Can a corporal in a team leader position have me do corrective action (“smoke” me)? And was I wrong to tell him to eat a bag of dicks?
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
CPL
Corporal
11C: Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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I was in an MP Company that got a branch transfer Company Commander. He came from finance and had no clue about what MPs do, but he was the CO. Would never have thought of telling him off, and none of the other NCO would either. We patiently brought him up to speed. I was once put in a platoon sergeant position as an E-5 buck Sgt because the CO relieved the Platoon Sergeant and all the Squad leaders. My peers didn't question my authority not even once. I just happened to be the senior Sgt in the platoon. And some of the other NCO i was just a few months senior in Time in Grade.
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You would have been reduced in the Army I came up in. And you probably should be anyway.
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Being disrespectful doesn’t accomplish anything. Go to a Sgt you respect and pose the same question to him, get your answer. But grow up first.
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He is a Corporal, wherever he comes from. Okay, hot shot, so he doesn't walk on water. Your Mortar Section is gonna be hot one day if you ever decide to back up, regroup and sit down with that Corporal and talk abot business. Yeah, so he was wrong, be the professional mortar maggott we all know you cab be and show him how to hang a round or two the right way.
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Not only would I have told you to get down but I would have also had you roll over. And I know you would not have a weekend pass because you would be too busy pulling guard duty. Not only do you need to get a check. You need to find a new hope also. Disagree in private is one thing public disrespect is a can of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA KICKING.
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You both are E-4s, but a corporal is an NCO. I was a corporal once upon a time. We had more respect from the men and more authority to deal with bad behavior. The standard then was to "PT you to death". Except on a CAT 3 or 4 day. Then it would PT until the offender was very uncomfortable twice per day (dawn and dusk).
All kidding aside, you can do better than this. If you are a better and more experienced soldier than show it in your professionalism. Leave the "eat a bag of dicks" in your quarters to entertain your buddies.
All kidding aside, you can do better than this. If you are a better and more experienced soldier than show it in your professionalism. Leave the "eat a bag of dicks" in your quarters to entertain your buddies.
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I see you’re in the National Guard. This explains how you were able to escape UCMJ. If you had been on active duty in 1981 there is a good bet you would have gotten your ass pounded then been in front of the platoon sergeant for some more counseling. Whether you’ve been an 11C longer than him didn’t give you the right to respond in that manner. As a corporal he had the authority to drop you. He also had the authority to give you an adverse counseling statement. If he wasn’t in your chain of command he still
Had the authority to drop you. To answer your question you wre dead wrong and by way of rank he has the authority.
Had the authority to drop you. To answer your question you wre dead wrong and by way of rank he has the authority.
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