Posted on Feb 11, 2022
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We just got this new corporal who re-classed to mortars and he’s super hooah and after a disagreement and how to perform large deflections he told me to drop now I know he is a corporal but I’ve been a mortar man longer and I am the gun 2 gunner and the fact is he was wrong after all he just became a mortar man 11c and for that reason I told him to eat a bag of dicks just want everyone’s opinion
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You told an NCO to go eat a bag of dicks and you wanna know if you were wrong? I don't care if you've been doing the job longer and know more. You were more wrong than a hooker in church trying to pass a $3.00 bill in the collection plate. Personally, you should have been recommended for UCMJ. Disrespect to an NCO, Article 91. And yes he can drop your ass for corrective training. Remember, he's the NCO and you are not. Next time this happens, take it to your Squad Leader instead of planting your head in your ass.
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LT Crutcher Evans
LT Crutcher Evans
2 mo
Agreed. Insubordination cannot be tolerated, even as discipline in the Armed Services continuers to fade.
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SSG Aaron Lindsey
SSG Aaron Lindsey
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PV2 Lonn Dugan - No - A SPC (Specialist) is an E-4 but not an NCO. A CPL is an E-4 who is an NCO. A SPC could be promoted from SCP to CPL (but it would be a lateral promotion - no increase of grade) if they were placed in a leadership position in certain units.
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CPO Donald Crisp
CPO Donald Crisp
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I can't tell you how glad I am that I retired when I did. This kind of behavior if it reached my desk would have been dealt with immediately! Totally inappropriate and one of the most disrespectful comments I've read on this site.
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SFC Lyle Green
SFC Lyle Green
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To me this is just "another nail in the coffin" of an once 1st. rate, world respected, feared as the most efficient, organized, disciplined, respectful, combat machine in existence and that history has ever known. Actually for an old boot as myself, it not only breaks my heart, but has disgraced and put to shame all those of my family, my fallen friends and all that fought, suffered and died to maintain our marvelous heritage to ....this? Sad to say, I no longer feel I can be recognized with this madness. All I care to say is, I know of nothing this disgusting and destructive as what is being discussed here. Of course I ain't as smart or so well versed as many of the people here, and all I can fluently reflect on is my experiences, mostly in combat where discipline, respect was more essential than your skills or weapons. I will shut up with this: as a squad leader in combat especially in a active fire confrontation, if one of my subs. had disobeyed my order or made a comment such as this, I would have shot the SOB on the spot, and would have been authorized.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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You were both wrong, but you do what your rank can handle. He was wrong to try to flex because he was insecure about being wrong. You were wrong in your response. He's trying to establish himself as the recognized leader in a section that's new to him. You could have changed that entire encounter by pulling him aside and showing him the TM or whatever reference in a way that let's him save face in front of his Joe's.
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1stSgt Michael Shafer
1stSgt Michael Shafer
3 mo
TSgt Carl Johnson Sgt Johnson you would have told one of my MSGT's what you would not be taking from him and both of y'all would be in my office! First the MSGT, then you oh and by the way I would take statements from both of you, you seem to have forgotten that a MSgt trumps a TSgt you have also forgotten a little thing called Good Order and Discipline. You were lucky just to clean latrines, I would be preparing an Article 15 and my recommendation to my O-6 boss would be to take the harshest punishment possible! Think you would find a Area Defense Counsel, ADC, saying you had a strong case. Remember, you challenged a Senior NCO remember it's not about right or wrong but about your inappropriate behavior in a given situation and your behavior was appalling most certainly if observed by junior members. I certainly Would Not want you in a potential leadership position until you matured! Get my drift Sgt.
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TSgt Carl Johnson
TSgt Carl Johnson
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1stSgt Michael Shafer - This was over 30 years ago, in a combat zone, he was eavesdropping on a private conversation, then publicly berating me. I told him what I said in private. He was salty because he had been assigned to a patrol that I was in charge of because he had no training or experience for it. When he was in the subordinate position, I still respected his rank, but I was in charge. He handled it. I learned my lesson. There was no reason to overreact to the point that you suggest. That's the kind of toxic leadership that forces out troops that have enormous potential. It would also have been an enormous waste of time. I am proud of my service. I may not have made a lot of rank, but I accomplished more for my country and branch than he ever did. He had been assigned to me. Get my drift, 1stSgt?
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SFC Howard Holmes
SFC Howard Holmes
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SFC Boyd, just reading that he told a Cpl. to "Eat a Bag of Dicks" gives me a funny feeling that the 'disagreement' wasn't as sweet and clean as he's making it out to be. If it was, there probably was a finishing touch to his comment to the Cpl like maybe, "dumb ass", "moron" or something else of that nature. I just have that feeling, that there's a little envy, or Spec Gomez wanted to knock the Cpl down a couple notches while lifting himself up a couple of notches. Maybe even Gomez wanted to test the Cpl., and didn't expect the Alpha Charlie, or the Smoking that he earned.
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CSM Frank Supinski
CSM Frank Supinski
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Having been a young enlisted man and a young NCO I can remember these days as some of the most challenging of my career. The transformation to the NCO ranks is one that in my way of thinking requires a whole lot of training, mentorship, and learning by doing and yes even the mistakes one makes by doing the job. If their is a perceived lack of experience on your new TL than my recommendation is elevated this to your Platoon SGT and have a sit down with both him and TL together. I know it is difficult to check Ego's at the door but an honest dialog needs to happen between you both on this situation. Respect is a two way street as I have often learned. In order to get it you have to give it. As someone once taught me "people who look down upon other people don't end up being looked up to."
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Under Art 92, UCMJ, it is a violation if the SPC does not obey the order.
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Sgt Sammy Alexander
Sgt Sammy Alexander
2 mo
As a young LCPL leading 3 PFCs, we were spit shining our barracks for Inspection when a guy I knew to be a CPL, but in a tee shirt and gym shorts, came in from the barracks next door and began harassing my PFCs by popping them in the spine with a bare mop handle when they bent to clean under lockers. I told him to stop. He did not and instead of going for the Barracks NCO, I invited him out back of our barracks. When he saw that I brought one of his mop handles with me, he said forget the fight and ordered me to rewash all of the barracks windows myself. I told him that I would not accept his order unless he went and dressed in his class A's and proved he had stripes.
A Summary Court Martial found me guilty of disobeying a lawful order and I got my 2nd bust in 18 mos. with 3 months bad time with 1/2 pay. Lesson learned.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Ralph E Kelley
2 mo
Sgt Sammy Alexander - I made PFC twice, once on the way up and once on the way up. Got an Art 15 as a SP4, but no reduction. Got recommended for a courts-marshall as a SSG (because my ex-wife floated some bad checks after our seperation while she lived in post quarters and I lived in the barracks). At the Article 32 preliminary hearing, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to merit a court-martial. I was able to get her tossed off-post then and the JAG took the evidence to the civilian Judge in Kentucky and had the (in that decade's) mandatory 6 month seperation prior to divorce waived so I could shed her.
Disciplinary actions are a way of life for any servicemember.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Sgt Sammy Alexander - It should have read, "Once on the way up and once on the way down."
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SGT Frank Cosner
SGT Frank Cosner
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Sgt Sammy Alexander - So this scumbag punished you for defending the troops he was harassing for no reason other than to be an ahole. Too bad you didn't get him "out back" and give him what he deserved.
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