Posted on Feb 11, 2022
Can a corporal in a team leader position have me do corrective action (“smoke” me)? And was I wrong to tell him to eat a bag of dicks?
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
CPL
Corporal
11C: Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
Edited 5 mo ago
Posted 4 y ago
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Ever seen "The Caine Mutiny"? "You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good"!
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Noncommissioned Officer
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https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/Publications/ncobackbone.pdf
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Would you tell a brand new Lt. to eat a bag of dicks too? You could have been more tactful in your reply. Yes you were wrong.
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Why would you say that to begin with? When I was in the Army I would never have thought to say something that stupid to a higher ranking NCO.
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First of all; Yes, you were wrong. Second; He was not making a 'corrective action'. A corrective action needs to be directly related to the infraction. I was taught at Drill Sergeant School that PT in these types of situations needs to be an attention-getting device. If you were one of my troops you would be recommended for punishment under the UCMJ. He would be getting some direct leadership training.
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you went about this wrong. Think about how you would react if you as an E-4 were put in that position, as the new supervisor and a subordinate slammed back at you. You should have discussed the situation, asked to speak to him on the side, and told him he was incorrect. No one like having a sharpshooter in a class.
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He's wrong in theory, but not by regulation and knows better. You must have really said something crazy in front of everyone. You as a subject matter expert should help correct him, and pull him aside to show him the right way. Undermining his authority is a no go in front of others, you may know more and have far more experience and expertise, but at the end of the day the CSM and Platoon Sergeant are going to side with him 100%, he's an NCO. Hopefully at time of this writing you are either a Sergeant or SSG or have gotten out of that insane woke organization.
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Hmmm, a bag of dicks? If, in fact, you have more knowledge and training than someone who out ranks you, and that NCO orders you to do something that would have dire consequences if performed as directed, YES, you do need to speak-up. But I doubt that a bag of dicks would have any part of that conversation. Just curious, do you have more time in service? If so, thinking before speaking might improve your upward rank mobility.
I do think the response is funny... but funny has a proper time and place.
I do think the response is funny... but funny has a proper time and place.
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