Posted on Feb 11, 2022
SPC 11 C Indirect Fire A Infantryman
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.

Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.

I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
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CW3 Senior Instructor Pilot
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..............What a dumb f***ing question. Does he outrank you? Yes. Is he in a senior position? Also Yes. Could you benefit from pulling your head our of your ass? Resounding "yes".

I'd like to give you a more refined and professional answer, but you don't seem to have the wherewithal to take pause and assess a dumb question with an obvious answer before putting it forward. Despite the circumstances of the disagreement and the marring of your ego because you feel your entitled to greater position of authority, you're still in the position you are, and he is in the position he's in. Learn to articulate differences better. Grow up.
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SGT Greg Gold
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My retirement orders shield me from this ass hattery.
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SSG Michael Baney
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This has to.be the silliest question I have ever seen in here. You should've been given an article 15, had money taken away, been on restriction and given extra duty. You went through Basic Training, so you know damn well what you said was wrong. Your experience is irrelevant. If you had said that disrespectful crap to me, I would've pushed for a reduction in rank with that Article 15. If this is an example of your attitude, you should not even reenlist, go to civilian employer and see how long you are employed.
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Brad Miller
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(1) Am not, never have been, military.
(2) Have been, several times, in a managerial/supervisory position.
(3) Without discipline and a chain of command you have a mob, not an organization.
I would land on you like the Fist of God for that.
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LCpl Robert Michaud
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He is the NCO. If you disagree with his order, unless life threatening, you do it then talk to him after and explain what was wrong with the order. You respect the rank even if you don't respect the person.
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Sgt Eugene M. Stewart
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I feel that a man in a position over me whether it is permanent or temporary, deserves the right to be respected for the position they are in. Put yourself in their position and see if you would like it. For what you said should be disciplinary actions to anyone under his leadership. Like it or leave it! SGT Stewart
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SFC Howard Holmes
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You are to obey an order unless it is an unlawful order, but just by the fact that you told him to eat a bag of dicks tells me you probably had the SMOKIN' coming. You would've been more in the right if you didn't do what you did to earn the smokin' which you failed to mention, but you carry out the order, and if there's an issue with that, you report it through your chain of command. Some young corporals let the power get to their head and have to learn how not to abuse it. Many years ago, I was a young MP, been at Ft. Lewis for about 15 months, so I was pretty well set in knowing what I was doing. We had a SSG come over from the 15th Combat Engineers to OJT as an MP. His first night on patrol I was his partner. I went to drive and he said, I'm a SSG, I'm driving, and he said it with attitude. I figured I would drive to show him the patrol area, and allow him to focus on learning the radio codes, etc. Since he was one of the things in your bag, we got a call, it was a "Signal 80" which was an arms room alarm going off, and it was in the Division Area. It was at this time that I played stupid PFC just as he treated me and immediately lost all of my knowledge and made him figure it out. There are ways of getting around abusers of rank, and higher ranking who lack respect for those of a lesser rank. Needless to say, it wasn't long before he was removed from patrol status, and out of the platoon. You were wrong, wrong, wrong, and I agree that you should've been NJP'd.
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SFC Wade Adams
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While I do agree with you, it is wrong what you did. You are, I’m assuming, a SPC 4 , while you are equal in pay grade , he’s wearing the hard stripes. In my opinion, either one of two things should happen, either pin everyone in combat arms MOSs Corporal or disband the Corporal rank all together. When someone is laterally promoted to Corporal, it’s like they are getting screwed, because you are a NCO but you’re also still an E-4 , you serve a dual role for the same amount of money as a SPC . Back when they had SPC 4-8, it would have served its purpose but now it should be done away with.
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SGT Ammunition Stock Control and Accounting Specialist
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This isn’t a thing you should be asking on RP.

To be blunt you are both wrong. You know damn well what you did was punishable under the UCMJ, disrespect to a Noncommissioned Officer is serious. I wouldn’t be surprised if a 4856 occurs as well as further action. If you have a disagreement with an NCO bring it up privately, based on what you said I’m guessing it was possibly in front of troops.

Your corporals actions were incorrect as well. Under current policies corrective training shouldn’t be conducted through physical activity. Your squad leader is in need of ncopdr also. Even with that, probably being a new NCO, less experienced he should have handled your disrespect a bit differently.
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LCDR Aerospace Engineering Duty, Maintenance (AMDO and AMO)
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As Lori Morgan would sing... "What part of 'NCO' don't you understand?"
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