Posted on Feb 11, 2022
Can a corporal in a team leader position have me do corrective action (“smoke” me)? And was I wrong to tell him to eat a bag of dicks?
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We just got a new Corporal who recently reclassed to mortars. He’s highly motivated (hooah), and during a training event, we had a disagreement over how to perform large deflections. He told me to "drop," but the fire mission he was calling would’ve put us outside the safety fan during a live fire and could have potentially caused injuries to other elements participating in the exercise.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Now, I understand and respect his rank, but I’ve been a mortarman longer and currently serve as the Gun 2 gunner. The fact is—he was wrong. He just became an 11C, and when he wouldn’t listen to correction or reason, I told him (admittedly out of frustration) to eat a bag of d***s.
I’m curious to hear what others think—especially when it comes to situations where rank clashes with experience and safety is on the line.
Edited 5 mo ago
Posted 4 y ago
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Tell your entire chain of command to come see me and I’ll set em all straight for you.
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Yes. Not because you told an NCO to eat a bag of ducks but because you told the Wrong NCO to eat a bag of socks. That honor should have gone to the moron that made a reclass that doesn’t know what he is talking about an NCO in a team lead position. That’s a failure higher up than a corporal
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No matter what job you have, civilian or military, there will be bosses and leaders that you don't agree with. If your reaction is to "eat dick" then sounds like you have a lot of maturing to do in learninghow to deal with situationsthat you don't like.. In the "real world" you would have been fired. Thank goodness you are in a job that gives corrective action (so what if you have to do a few un called for push ups in order to learn to handle situations like this as a grown up) rather than fired. Even if you are the correct one. Life is not fair and the military isn't a democracy.
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There is a time and place to bring any disagreements, whether founded or unfounded. The thing is, he is your chain of command. I have not one clue where you get it that it’s ok to spout of to your first line NCO, regardless of same rank. Was he in the wrong, more than likely he was, but you take the smoking, get your military bearing back in dress right dress then bring it up to the Squad Leader first. Your attitude reflects leadership to a point, be better in order to move up through the ranks. If nothing happens then take this as a learning experience but be prepared for Company Grade Actions at the least.
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I was an 11C, and a very experienced and skilled Chief Computer. We got a new SSG who had reclassed to 11C from personnel. He was a very solid NCO, but very unskilled for his pay grade in the MOS. He was given the Section Sergeant position over me. I was upset because I had been promised the position before he came. I could have been disrespectful and let him fail. What would that have benefitted anyone? The point is that if he is wrong, and drops you for it, great. More PT is good PT. After you comply, talk to him privately. Ask why he feels you should do it the way he directed because you were taught differently. He may feel that he has to be hard to prove he belongs and is afraid of being seen as incompetent. Help him become a better squad leader. It will benefit everyone. I will guarantee the senior leadership is watching your squad closely. He is base gun squad leader, so people watch him. Try to help him and it will reflect well on your followership and potential for future leadership. Telling him to eat a bag of dicks sends the opposite message, and reflects very poorly on you. By the way, if you told one of my squad leaders to eat a bag of dicks, you would be lucky to just get an Article 15. I'll guarantee you would be a poster child for physical fitness and individual discipline, or you'd be completely broken before my leadership team was done. Either way, disrespect is never the answer, whether it flows up or down.
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Soldier SPC doesn't make you special you are an enlisted a CPL. is an NCO. In my day getting smoked would be the last thing you would have to worry about. You just consider yourself lucky b/c if I was your nco we would have a three legged race to the medics so they can extract my foot out of your 4th point of contact.
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