Can a CSM deny orders for a leadership school such as BLC or ALC just because you don't get a 70 in each PT event?

My platoon sergeant told us like this. If you want to do the minimum In everything that's fine nothing says you can't. But if you want all these schools and want to advance in your career don't bitch and whine when you don't get sent.

Well, it sounds like he already did this so I'm going to say, Yes! Your CSM is there to ensure your success during your tenure at any course. If you want to be a leader, you need to start acting like one. Obviously you or the person you are talking about lacks physical fitness skills. Work on it so you can score the max and not the minimum. This will ensure you pass the APFT at school but display the importance of physical fitness to your subordinates. Physical fitness has been put on the back burner too long. It needs to become a priority again. Do yourself or your friend a favor and put your energy towards getting more fit rather than complain about not getting into a school. The CSM didn't tell anyone not to worry about physical fitness, that was an individual choice. See a nutritionist and master fitness NCO and put yourself on a program. If you google Thor workouts, they have decent 14 week workouts. Get out there and lead from the front!

A narrowly-define answer to your question is "no". That's because a CSM is subject to the same regulations and statutes as anyone else. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, however - that's a large tiger you're about to lock horns with. Do you really think you'll win? Might be easier to get 70's across the board.

I would say no. There is a standard. The standard is 180 on PT tests to stay in the military. If there needs to be a higher standard to go to schools, put it in a regulation. Otherwise, no, you cant stop someone who exceeds (no matter how small of exceeding) the standard from going to a career school. As a commander, I sent people to schools all the time with 70's across the board. I would think that's a minimum for the soldier to go. At some point, the soldier has to be honest with him or herself if they are ready to go to the school and not embarrass their unit with a failure of a PT test or tape test...
To eliminate the question, there needs to be an addition to FM 21-20 or AR 350-1 that says soldiers must score 70's in all events to go to professional development school...

Yes a CSM can deny your attendance to the school; however, most likely he will not due simply to the fact that you didn't score 70 percent. You need to request to see your 1SG and have him/her explain why you were denied. As stated by many leaders on this sight, their can be a number of reasons such as availblitity, priority, etc. I'm such that you not being able to score 70 percent is not the sole reason.

each cycle there's only so many slots for schools. If the Battalion or Brigade has a standard for their NCO's, then yes they can restrict that person from attending a Leadership School. the Army is very competitive career field and only those that are above the minimum will succeed. Start working out!

There were the same sort of self-aggrandized demagoguery back in my day. Best bet is to go to the actual regs for the courses, see if there is something about needing 70 to go to the school. If not, then a trip to the IG is called for... Because it is ultimately your call and your fall if you don't pass in the end. When I went to ANCOES I got the highest academic score but though I did pass the PT test, the #2 academic scorer got a higher PT score... and he was also a drinking buddy with the persons in charge, so they made up this thing about giving HIM Distinguished graduate and I ended up with Honor graduate (#2). I thought about challenging it but later decided "why bother?".

In this case, there was ultimate justice in this world...a couple years later when he was the 1SG of the unit I was stationed at; I got to witness him being relieved for cause. Take heart, occasionally justice does happen.

I am in agreement with you SGT Parrott. If the Soldier meets the minimum qualifications in each APFT event, he/she cannot be legally kept out of any NCOES leadership course.

BLUF: yes they can. It doesn't matter how you feel on the subject. 60 is a minimal requirement. A CSM can imbue their own personal standards on NCOES attendance. In addition to furthering one's own career, they are also are presentation to others of the unit. Any CSM worth their salt will not risk their reputation in a minimally performing Soldier who may or may not embarrass the unit in front of their peers. So yeah, it's a priveledge, not a right to attend NCOES, one that should be earned.

Yes I think they can. Once you get to SSG and hire, it's important that you keep your physical fitness. A lot of it has to do with, being a NCO, your pt should be better than your soliders; were 70% comes from. A SM has same guildlines for their school. I think that's a leader SM