Can a CSM deny orders for a leadership school such as BLC or ALC just because you don't get a 70 in each PT event?

I don't think CSM can do that, however, if you were my soldier, I'd deny you. The reason is because as a leader, I expect you to lead by example. I don't expect your soldiers to out perform you and carry your slack because your barely meeting 60 percent. That's actually pretty embarrassing.

He can and he should. If you fail the APFT at the school you go home and the unit lost a slot. Fix your injury, get your level of fitness where it needs to be. 180 may be the standard but I woul prefer my brain surgeon to have more than a 'D' average if he is cracking open my melon. A 'D' may be a passing grade but just getting by is not where you want to be as a leader. Invest in yourself, get healthy, and meet the 70 points per event, or a 'C' if you will. 210 points is still pretty low.

Are you Guard or Active? Our state (Idaho) requires that all NCOs score a 70 in each event before they will send us. It's been this way for a few years now.......but I can't speak for any other States.

The funny part to me is that this is still happening. Whenever the CSM of the army put out a press release for leadership to not deny anyone advancement (no matter if it's promotions, schools or assignment) just because they're not a PT stud.

All things being equal, except PT scores, who should go; the candidate that just makes the grade, or the one who exceeds the standard by a wide margin? It is NEVER about an individual's career. It is ALWAYS about the good of the service.

No. While it may be a section/platoon standard, as long as you meet the Army Standard of 60 points in each event, you cannot be denied an NCOES course. With that being said, you can be denied a course such as Air Assault or Airborne.

I think so but it's not usually done

no he cannot i ran into a similar situation here at hood he can say hey lets push your school date back or talk to you about other options like extra pt till your class date but he cannot remove you because you did not make 70% in each even I got it that what you should strive for but no. The proper guidance would be to get with the soldiers first line and come up with a physical training Plan to improve the soldiers PT Score and help the soldier achieve that goal

I would have a hard time sending a soldier to NCOES if they were hovering around 60 in each event, knowing that the cadre will likely be very adherent to the rules as far as proper form is concerned. I scored one of my lowest totals at SLC last summer. I was jet lagged, still adjusting to the stresses of the climate, and the academic environment, and had several of my pushups called for form. If I was a 60 pointer going in, I don't think I would have passed.

I try to council soldiers within my sphere to always aim for better then just minimum standards. Not only for pushing for seeking a higher level, but also to account for things such as fatigue, stress, and minor illness.

BLC / ALC requires a 2-star general (in USARAK) to defer a soldier's requirement to attend. I cannot even get a soldier out of BLC due to JRTC or Ranger School. So the answer is no. As a Company Commander, if myself and the 1SG are aware that a soldier failed height/weight or their APFT, they are flagged prior to going. That is the only way to keep them out.