Posted on Feb 28, 2022
Can a CSM go into POV’s without the owner present?
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So our BN CSM walked through our barracks parking lot, and began going into POVs and looking around them and inside of them while the owner is not present.
I'm curious if he is allowed to do that, I haven't found any regs saying he can or cannot do that, does anyone have any insight?
I'm curious if he is allowed to do that, I haven't found any regs saying he can or cannot do that, does anyone have any insight?
Posted 4 y ago
Responses: 48
Can he/she do it? It's obvious the answer is yes as it DID happen.
Should they do it? F|JCK no.
Grab a couple of sworn statements or MFR and walk into either IG or ask for an open door with the BN CO since it was BN CSM doing the dirty. Make copies of the statements and MFRs before going to the open door/IG of course.
Should they do it? F|JCK no.
Grab a couple of sworn statements or MFR and walk into either IG or ask for an open door with the BN CO since it was BN CSM doing the dirty. Make copies of the statements and MFRs before going to the open door/IG of course.
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The closet thing I can think of that make it even close to ok to attempt entry into a POV (I am not saying it is) is attempting to enforce the "no TA-50 in POVs" policy that every base I have been to has. Now why it is anyone's business what I keep in my insured POV covered by both vehicle insurance and renters insurance is beyond me. That one always felt like an over reach.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist the policy is more about storing it in your POV rather than transport.
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SFC (Join to see) - If the stuff is in the trunk...HOW would anyone know, without SEARCHING for it? SEARCHES require warrants.
“ The additional responses are for people who are willing to got the extra mile to ensure that the NCO Corps is purified of this rotten apple.”
So to purify the NCO corps, your advice is to completely lie about the incident, report items missing that you never had?
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So to purify the NCO corps, your advice is to completely lie about the incident, report items missing that you never had?
Clown show
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Very strange. Follow earlier guidance. I would be interested in the outcome. This doesn't make sense, even if he had sone sort of permission he should not conduct a search alone.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
And if there were even probable cause for a search the CMS would NOT be able to do so but Law Enforcement people such as the Military Police based on authority to search by the Installation Commander who also doesn't do that without checking with Legal authorities.
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“ Fort Sill Regulation 190-1 "Installation Physical Security and Crime Prevention" governs the security requirements for residents, Soldiers and employees on post. The regulation requires that all unattended vehicles be locked said Janet McMurtrey, Physical Security Branch chief. That means you can't leave your car unlocked even if you're going to run into the shoppette for a minute”
That’s great. But how would the CSM know if the vehicle belonged to a resident, soldier or on post employee? Could be a spouse, girlfriend, dominos delivery driver, etc.
That’s great. But how would the CSM know if the vehicle belonged to a resident, soldier or on post employee? Could be a spouse, girlfriend, dominos delivery driver, etc.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Also post directive to keep the car locked are to protect it's content's, NOT enable anyone including the CSM to enter that vehicle. Once He does that He has committed the crime of breaking and entry and the directive is designed to prevent intrusions from anyone into a POV and that includes the CSM ! A directive to keep You property secure isn't a pass for anyone to enter it if You failed to lock it, they would still be committing a criminal act by making that entry.
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Back when I was a PFC, I was on CQ one day and a another soldier parked his bike out front of the Company area. A high speed NCO took his bike to teach him a lesson. The soldier called the police and had him arrested. There is nothing wrong with looking into locked cars, but if he takes something that's another matter. If it is part of an ATO random measure as an official duty that is signed off on and being conducted in official manner that is also another matter. I am sure that is not the case.
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In my opinion, experience and from talking to other MP'S. The answer is once enter you have give the right to search vehicle up. While your at the gate or the vicinity of the gate. Once surpass the gate area I.E the barriers. The same rules apply that apply in the civilian world. I would also so what so many suggested talk to legal office or IG.
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