Posted on Mar 6, 2023
Can a unit penalize you for not being at a grocery or pharmacy while on a no work slip?
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No work slip came from a civillian ER. Slip lasted 5 days and found out soldier was at an antique store.
Can/ is it allowed for the unit to penalize the soldier?
Can/ is it allowed for the unit to penalize the soldier?
Posted 2 y ago
Responses: 6
Well....here is some things I can see: why didn't the Soldier get that converted to a military quarters slip? Was the no work slip due to illness? If so, did the slip specifically say no work and stay in room? Or was there no specifics mentioned about quarters? Personally, there sounds like too much legal questions need to be answered.
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MSG (Join to see)
SPC (Join to see) bullet point is fine. Here is rhe issue:
1: SM should have gotten the slip translated to Military Medical slip.
2: Military Medical slip, such as this, is only good for 4 days....including a weekend.
3. IG only investigates any possible wrong doing and provides guidance to correct wrong doing if correct procedures were not followed.
4. EO is race, color, creed, gender, and sexual orientation is involved.
5. If civilian slip was not converted to military slip....I see no grounds for a good Defense by SM.
6. This sounds very much like malingring
1: SM should have gotten the slip translated to Military Medical slip.
2: Military Medical slip, such as this, is only good for 4 days....including a weekend.
3. IG only investigates any possible wrong doing and provides guidance to correct wrong doing if correct procedures were not followed.
4. EO is race, color, creed, gender, and sexual orientation is involved.
5. If civilian slip was not converted to military slip....I see no grounds for a good Defense by SM.
6. This sounds very much like malingring
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SPC (Join to see) - So the military doesn't do "no work" slips. They do either physical profiles, which limit specific forms of work, or quarters slips, which restrict a Soldier to quarters (with limited exceptions).
If the converted slip was a quarters slip (which it sounds like it was), and the Soldier was out and about, that is a violation of the medical orders, and is subject to UCMJ.
If the converted slip was a quarters slip (which it sounds like it was), and the Soldier was out and about, that is a violation of the medical orders, and is subject to UCMJ.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SPC (Join to see) - Of course the commander denied it - it wasn't a quarters slip. How did IG "recognize" it as an EO case? What protected category was violated? That seems weird IG told you any of that.
So then you did get an actual quarters note from a MTF - right? If it just said RTD on specific date...which is weird...then I don't see the issue. Although any quarters slip I got specifically said either "confine to quarters and only allowed to go to get basic necessities" if for an illness. For injury, it's usually a temp profile and they add those onto eprofile now. I don't think even short ones are on a paper but I could be wrong.
You can always go talk to legal...
So then you did get an actual quarters note from a MTF - right? If it just said RTD on specific date...which is weird...then I don't see the issue. Although any quarters slip I got specifically said either "confine to quarters and only allowed to go to get basic necessities" if for an illness. For injury, it's usually a temp profile and they add those onto eprofile now. I don't think even short ones are on a paper but I could be wrong.
You can always go talk to legal...
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MSG Thomas Currie
SFC Casey O'Mally - I've never seen any civilian medical facility do anything that would be called a "no work" slip unless it is "bed rest" or a quarantine order. What civilian medical facilities provide is generally a Return To Work permission slip, that says when a patient can return to work. These are for patients whose employers want medical assurance that an employee is safe to return to work.
No military unit I have ever seen requires or even recognizes any such return-to-work slip, and certainly does not consider it a free pass to be off.
Some units might accept a civilian medical form that states SPECIFIC limitations without requiring it be replaced with the appropriate military paperwork from a military medical facility.
If the service member went to a civilian ER, he is absolutely required to notify the unit as quickly as possible and is required to report back to his unit upon being released from the hospital or ER. If the service member had followed regulations, the unit would have told him that his "no work" slip was meaningless and referred him for proper treatment at the servicing military facility.
No military unit I have ever seen requires or even recognizes any such return-to-work slip, and certainly does not consider it a free pass to be off.
Some units might accept a civilian medical form that states SPECIFIC limitations without requiring it be replaced with the appropriate military paperwork from a military medical facility.
If the service member went to a civilian ER, he is absolutely required to notify the unit as quickly as possible and is required to report back to his unit upon being released from the hospital or ER. If the service member had followed regulations, the unit would have told him that his "no work" slip was meaningless and referred him for proper treatment at the servicing military facility.
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I have never seen a unit accept a quarters slip that was not evaluated by the PA or unit Doc. If it is so severe that they are on total bed rest and can’t get to the Aid station that is remedied by the Commanders approval until the Soldier can be re-evaluated. None the less, Soldier should not be site seeing and window shopping. A Soldier is always subject to UCMJ, so this Soldier in my opinion should be reviewed for sone form of discipline. IG oar ace is not bliss.
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Common sense should tell the SM that a civilian Doc from a Civilian Hospital can't dictate what the military does. Get emergency medical treatment as needed but follow-up with the Military PCP. It is simple to just go to Military Medical after emergency care is done to get the appropriate chit done for bed rest. Getting caught antiquing is a bad look and hard not to look like you are being shady
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