Posted on Jan 21, 2015
Can addressing junior service members by rank alone be considered a derogatory term?
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Throughout my career, I have noticed that certain rank-titles have been continually used in a derogatory manner. The most glaring of these are 'Private', 'Specialist', 'Cadet', 'Lieutenant', and 'LT'.
Here are a few examples:
- "Hey ________, come here!"
- "Hurry up ________!"
- "What are you doing ________?"
You would never hear someone use those phrases to an NCO or officer of the rank of Captain or higher, especially without adding their name to their rank when addressing them, so why talk down to someone just because they're of a certain rank?
This has always bothered me; especially when it was directed at me while I was serving at each of those ranks. So, as a tiny effort, for the past 10 years or so, I have avoided using those rank-titles in a stand-alone manner.
Here are a few examples:
- "Hey ________, come here!"
- "Hurry up ________!"
- "What are you doing ________?"
You would never hear someone use those phrases to an NCO or officer of the rank of Captain or higher, especially without adding their name to their rank when addressing them, so why talk down to someone just because they're of a certain rank?
This has always bothered me; especially when it was directed at me while I was serving at each of those ranks. So, as a tiny effort, for the past 10 years or so, I have avoided using those rank-titles in a stand-alone manner.
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 115
Tone probably comes in to play here more than word choice.
I always go with rank and name for everyone, superiors, peers, and subordinates alike. You earned that, and I'll respect it. If you don't have the time to put an extra word in when addressing someone, you just told me how much respect you have for them.
"Private Jones, let's move out."
"Specialist Jones, please come over here."
"First Sergeant Jones, I have a question for you."
"Lieutenant Jones, I just sent that file to you."
"Colonel Jones, we'll get it done."
Too easy.
I always go with rank and name for everyone, superiors, peers, and subordinates alike. You earned that, and I'll respect it. If you don't have the time to put an extra word in when addressing someone, you just told me how much respect you have for them.
"Private Jones, let's move out."
"Specialist Jones, please come over here."
"First Sergeant Jones, I have a question for you."
"Lieutenant Jones, I just sent that file to you."
"Colonel Jones, we'll get it done."
Too easy.
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I like the idea of always including their last name. Shows that you at least have some recognition of who they are. One of my proudest moments upon graduating from basic was when my drill addressed me as "PFC Gabbard," and not "Private," or worse.
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If I may weigh in on this old topic; to me, it's sounds like the issue is not so much WHAT is said, but HOW it is said that determines if what is being said (rank in this case) has a derogatory subtext. Personally, it's never bothered me.
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I have read quite a few of the posts and there are many I have to agree with. I think the underlying point is that some, not all, do use it as derogatory. From my experience, quite a few of the people that use it to be derogatory are usually piss poor leaders.
There was one that did this constantly while I was a private even after I had been with the unit a while and had worked my butt off. It wasn't personal he did it to everyone that didn't go out drinking and doing drugs with him. He was obviously not the best leader.
On the other hand, there was another that would start out with using it not as a derogatory term but as a way to remind you of your position in the unit. He was one of the hardest but best NCO's I had and still have the utmost respect for him. The more you proved yourself to him and his peers the more "human" he would treat you.
The last example, there was one NCO that presented himself the same you do. This was the same that mentored me and helped me get my rank. He is still the best leader I've had in and out of the military. That being said you did not want to piss him off he could smoke people like non other.
So I believe the way you address someone is not the most important, but what your actions portray. That being said using it as derogatory will be noticed and will usually make your soldiers have less respect for you.
There was one that did this constantly while I was a private even after I had been with the unit a while and had worked my butt off. It wasn't personal he did it to everyone that didn't go out drinking and doing drugs with him. He was obviously not the best leader.
On the other hand, there was another that would start out with using it not as a derogatory term but as a way to remind you of your position in the unit. He was one of the hardest but best NCO's I had and still have the utmost respect for him. The more you proved yourself to him and his peers the more "human" he would treat you.
The last example, there was one NCO that presented himself the same you do. This was the same that mentored me and helped me get my rank. He is still the best leader I've had in and out of the military. That being said you did not want to piss him off he could smoke people like non other.
So I believe the way you address someone is not the most important, but what your actions portray. That being said using it as derogatory will be noticed and will usually make your soldiers have less respect for you.
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It totally depends on tone. Nearly any rank used as a form of address can be either respectful or disrespectful depending on the tone of voice. I don't mind being addressed as Specialist; it does bother me a bit when people (who have never known me as a Private) address me as Private.
I do like your method of address. SM's sometimes seem to forget that respect goes both ways. Certainly there's a time for corrective training and such, but normally there's no reason not to treat junior SM's with normal human dignity.
I do like your method of address. SM's sometimes seem to forget that respect goes both ways. Certainly there's a time for corrective training and such, but normally there's no reason not to treat junior SM's with normal human dignity.
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I think you are right...I was talking with USMA Cadets yesterday (I work here right now) and we discussed the same thing...I think tone of voice and context of situation is what conveys the attitude.
As a correction, I have heard "MAJOR" used in a derogatory manner (to me)...regardless of how high we go, we still make mistakes, and still have bosses.
As a correction, I have heard "MAJOR" used in a derogatory manner (to me)...regardless of how high we go, we still make mistakes, and still have bosses.
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Any term, title, name, or moniker can be "derogatory" if used as such. I never minded being called "Airman" or "Sergeant" because that's what I was. Heck, I was even called "Soldier" or "Private" even though I was Air Force when serving in a joint unit.
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With all due respect, I suggest that one of the key responsibilities of a leader is to lead by example. When one speaks to a military service member and refers to her/him in any way other than that such is prescribed by regulation, i.e. Private Brock, you are demonstrating to that service member that it is okay to abide by some regulations and not by others. Ever wonder why paperwork wasn't processed right or equipment wasn't fixed right? Perhaps because the service member decided they didn't have to do it the correct way every time because their superiors didn't do the simple things like address them correctly every time. It works the same way with children and in the civilian sector...monkey see, monkey do.
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MAJ (Join to see) First, how is this different than addressing a civilian with a certain title to their name (e.g Doctor). Being called by your rank is a not a derogatory term, it is merely a fact about what rank you are. If someone takes offense to be called by their rank, I would suggest they are in the wrong business because they are too thin skinned for what we have to do.
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Possibly, but it is professional to address someone by their rank. It is all about tone of voice and delivery. If I say "Lieutenant, we need to address the troops at formation about XXX" it is cold and blunt but not pejorative. If I said "LIEUTENANT, WHY HAVENT WE FIXED THOSE F***-UPS YET?" it would be quite disrespectful. One of the stumbling blocks we all face is the desire to be unique instead of professional. If I make a habit of dropping/suspending standard professional courtesies then I fail to properly develop my subordinates. The same is true for all of us.
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