Posted on Jul 12, 2016
CW4 Brian Haas
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CPL Jay Strickland
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Only when the NCO is doing so under the authority of an officer superior in rank to the CW4.

As in a general ordering a E-7 to counsel a CW4 as to what he has done wrong.
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CW2 Mobility Officer
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NEVER! A General would never ask an NCO to counsel an Officer...
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SFC Alfred Galloway
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CW2 (Join to see) - Exactly, the Chief of Staff for the 07+ would do it at the )7+'s direction or do it their own self.
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PO1 Jack Howell
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Actually he/or she can through positional authority. He/she would still have to be mindful of the rank of the individual senior to him/her.
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Nope
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PO1 Jack Howell
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Actually he/or she can through positional authority. He/she would still have to be mindful of the rank of the individual senior to him/her.
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SFC John Mandrioli
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Extremely entertaining thread thanks for the laughs Chief
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I think CW5 Andrew J. Foreman answered it best. According to ADRP 6-22, developmental counseling sessions/forms are for subordinates from leaders to document various situations and performance. Informal leadership may arise from time to time enabling a subordinate the right, by virtue of experience, technical experience, etc. to address or prevent risk-related concerns (i.e., security or safety) to anyone regardless of rank, but these situations are unusual and are usually taken to commands for consideration and action, like being counseled. Holistically, the answer is no and I would assume in this situation the answer is no. Additionally, the CW4 here is likely asking the question to raise awareness that there are Soldiers, of all ranks, that don't understand where the Warrant Officer fits in their particular formation(s), not because the CW4 truly doesn’t understand leadership; likely the SFC doesn’t understand his/her role. I’ve heard and seen senior NCOs put Warrant Officers in a pejorative light and think it’s okay to treat Warrant Officers like subordinates at times, but it’s not okay and no command should think that way.
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CW4 Brian Haas
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Honestly, I threw it on here more as comical fodder. But you raise some good points as far as some not understanding quite where the Warrant fits in. I'm an aviation Warrant, so we really don't run into that, as you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Warrant Officer!
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CW3 Targeting Officer
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I thought so and that's so true. Well, in that case I like MSG Michael Davis's answer.
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SFC Mcs
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Chief,
Welcome to the world of the WTU. I was a PLT SGT and a 1SG in a WTU and have seen many officers receive counseling from SFC and even a SSG. It was shocking when I first got there and even funny to see it happen. But in some cases it's a necessary evil. We did have some (few) give kick back about it, but most just went with it because they understood the program. There was also a policy letter that supported the Cadre, and incoming brief from the BN CDR that said if they didn't want counseled by the NCO the cadre can send the 4856 upstairs to him and he would do it. Not trying to say it's ok........ That was just they way the WTU works.
On a lighter note, We needed Soldiers to stand in a COC ceremony and we were sorting out the can and can't and a SGM in the program gave me his profile and he had written "I'm a SGM I'll stand where the F--k I want. We all got a huge laugh out of it. Good Luck
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The motorcycle counseling form that I signed was from my company commander. It was not from the NCO that was our BN motorcycle mentor. In my almost 25 years of service I have not seen a junior soldier counsel a senior, when I was enlisted or now as an officer.
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MSgt Jon P. (Pat) Hogan
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There have been a few times when I saw newly minted officers engage in certain activities and behaviors that would definitely ensure their butt being handed to them.

The correct way is to respectfully pull them aside, strongly advise them against the behavior, explain what is being violated and why they should listen to your advice, and that you have their back.

But after that, they were absolutely free to ignore my advice. There was never a safety issue involved, so I would be a neutral bystander afterwards. Whether or not the officer got subsequently caught had nothing to do with me.
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CW3 Supply Systems Technician
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There has to be a story behind this.
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CW4 Brian Haas
CW4 Brian Haas
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I dropped an f bomb...that's pretty much it.
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SFC Alfred Galloway
SFC Alfred Galloway
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I bet there is a good story behind the E-7 wanting to council the CW4... and boy would it make a lot of fun, at the bar
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CW3 Network Architect
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I know an E8 who tried to verbally counsel a CW2. I say E8 instead of MSG because this guy was no true NCO, he was a complete shitbag that the unit carried because he was a PT stud.....
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CW4 Brian Haas
CW4 Brian Haas
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Hence the reason I have used "E7" quite a bit. Definitely not a non commissioned officer.
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.... What did you do sir?! Lol
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CW4 Brian Haas
CW4 Brian Haas
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I said the f word. Well, I said "you don't do your f'ing job."
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MSG Military Police
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If he went to that extent then he probably wasn't doing his job.
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