Posted on Jan 22, 2021
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I was talking to a buddy from long ago. He was stationed at Ft. Leavenworth and he was telling me that there were some officers that were there serving time for various things and it got me to thinking about this question. We know that enlisted can get busted and lose a stripe but what about an officer. Can say a Captain get reduced in rank to a First Lieutenant?
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I've heard of it, but I've also heard of Bigfoot, Alien Abductions, and 15ft Alligators in the NYC sewers.
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They don't get reduced. If they violate the UCMJ, have sub standard performance, or commit misconduct that an enlisted man would face NJP over they can be eliminated from service or face courts martial for the specific charge or Art 133 Conduct Unbecoming. Art 133 usually means dismissal. If you do not retire, you lose your commission. No IRR. AR 600-8-24.
Lesser offenses usually end with a GOMOR, which will eventually result in separation due to non-promote.
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Lesser offenses usually end with a GOMOR, which will eventually result in separation due to non-promote.
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The former BG Sinclair did get demoted before he was separated. That is the only case that I know of but it does happen.
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CPT (Join to see) that was grade determination for the retirement at the last grade he successfully served in.
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A CPT who gets demoted is going to be shown the door at the same time. They won't be serving at a lower grade.
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SFC Krotzer, in 1955, avoided military justice by cutting one rocker off. CPT Kent never noticed or cared, but Krotzer never did submit his voluntold letter resigning from SFC. Krotzer was a hard ass for 30 days or so, then he started wearing uniforms with the two rockers again. Cpl Vic Burk
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I've known a number of officers who were reduced to enlisted for failing to complete whichever education requirements. A Company Cdr (National Guard) who ran out of time for his Bachelors degree to SGT, and a Major (National Guard ) who didn't finish professional development requirements to SSG - the people in his new unit called him the Staff Sergeant Major!
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Here is an example of the one case that I know of. He was demoted to the last rank he served honorably.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/us/general-in-sex-case-jeffrey-sinclair-to-retire-with-a-2-rank-demotion.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/21/us/general-in-sex-case-jeffrey-sinclair-to-retire-with-a-2-rank-demotion.html
General in Sex Case to Retire With a 2-Rank Demotion (Published 2014)
Brig. Gen. Jeffrey A. Sinclair, who was charged with sexual assault before the case crumbled earlier this year, will be eligible for retirement benefits, including pay, but at a lower level.
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Cpl Vic Burk I remember this case. I seen others that got in trouble but they are forced to retire. It's rare to charge an officer with something like this. Most dont commit crimes that can get them demoted.
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My friend Cpl Vic Burk as the Vietnam War was winding down, and the need for military helicopter pilots reduced significantly, the reductions in force [RIF] became effective. Numbers of Captain and 1st Lieutenant pilots were reduced in grade to warrant officers.
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We had a First Lieutenant who was borrowing money from people in the squadron and bouncing the checks when he repaid them. He received an Article 15, and subsequently a very substandard effectiveness report. He had about a year left in his commitment and was allowed to serve it. He wasn’t promoted to Captain and was separated.
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I’d guess not, they’d get the option to resign their commission first, if not then loss of commission and the door. If it stays the equivalent of say what office hours might be, and in house punishment by the supervisor, if the infraction is chargeable then I’d guess your at the mercy of legal and a court martial. Then there’s the discharge options, there I have no clue. Depends I guess on the conditions of the resignation or loss of commission, or the results of the CM.
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