Posted on Jun 13, 2018
Can anyone explain if this guy I know is pretending to be a LTC?
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An old friend of mine randomly posted a photo of himself in OCP’s with LTC rank. He told everyone that he just joined the Army Rerserves. I asked him what unit, and he told me it’s the 101st Airborne. He has a BS in nursing. He’s 45 years old. He’s not on ako or on enterprise. My question is, does this story smell fishy?
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I know doctors who have come in as Majors. But they had prior careers and specialties before joining. They were also active duty not reserve.
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CW3 Walter Goerner
So your direct commission was Reserve and not Regular Air Force? That's what it was when I was in the Air Force. I was in the AECP program and when they shut down that commissioning program temporarily from 1976 to 1978, I was awaiting my OTS orders but I'd be commissioned a 2LT reserve upon successful completion. I also had to be commissioned before my 28th birthday and that wasn't possible due to the time needed to go through OTS. On 15 Feb of 1979, I would have been 28 years old and if that school started on 1 Oct 78 when the AF reopened OTS for other than ROTC, I wouldn't have completed it in time. Besides, although I was #1 on the list when it stopped in 76, for Aerospace Defense Command for AFSC 304, when the program opened again. 304 was not on the list. Literally all enlisted to commission programs were stopped even enlisted promotions. I had tested for Technical Sergeant before the freeze and when everything opened again, I had a line number for Tech but I had been selected for direct promotion and Army accession. I was a 30474 and would have been promoted sometime during 1979 if I stayed in the Air Force enlisted but I told the career advisor that I would take the Warrant. The Air Force had stopped making Warrant Officers in the early 70's. I was offered direct Warrant in the Navy, Marine Corps, and Army but chose the Army. One day I wore the blue and the next day I wore green.
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CW3 Walter Goerner
Check it again Captain. Your commission is either a reserve commission or regular commission. There isn't any commission as active duty. Active duty is a status.
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CW3 Walter Goerner
Your type of commission is annotated on your commission certificate until it changes, if it's other than regular Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marine Corps. The commission certificate is received upon change of rank or source of commission. It's on there. Mine, being first appointed as an Army warrant officer wasn't a commissioned officer certificate but an appointed warrant officer, U.S. Army Reserve. The same type of certificate as Army reserve, CW2. Later when the Army selected me for commissioned Warrant Officer CW2, it was a Commissioned Officer certificate the same as other Commissioned Officers in Regular U.S. Army or U.S. Army, Reserve. Before 1986, Army Warrant Officers weren't Commissioned Officers. They were in the Navy, some were in the Marines, none in the Air Force, even those that still were in the reserves or active duty then.
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Capt (Join to see)
Good point. I checked my AF133. Direct commission as regular AF 1Lt, Reserve status the two months between commission and COT(OTS), then active status first day of COT. Active duty ever since. my confusion was the 2 months of reserve status.
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CPT (Join to see) - Ma'am to put it bluntly.... I can smell the odor coming from that bovine feces from a LONG way away. Just to many warning signs for it to be legit.
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I wish I could join and be a LTC. However as most people have stated 45 is just a little older than what the army wants. I believe the oldest you can be to join the army is 35, Air Force allows 39 years. He def is stolen valor in my opinion.
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SFC (Join to see)
The age limits you mention are for enlisted. Officers, especially Medical Professionals with years of experience can come in as old as 60 and at LTC rank. I have met some.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Yep, they just have to sign papers acknowledging they shan't be able to retire. Saw several at PSF during build up to freeing Kuwait.
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SSgt Scott Ezra
My primary care Doctor in the Air Force was a 58 year old LTC with 8 months active duty.
He was the best doctor I've ever had and an amazing man, so it happens.
Also, that isn't what stolen Valor is at all.
Stolen Valor is very specifically claiming to have been awarded medals and decorations you were never awarded. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
He was the best doctor I've ever had and an amazing man, so it happens.
Also, that isn't what stolen Valor is at all.
Stolen Valor is very specifically claiming to have been awarded medals and decorations you were never awarded. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
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Nurses do get constructive credit but I e never seen a Nurse Corps Officer be awarded LTC, unless they are a CRNA with 25 years Civilian experience. But definitely not a Med Surge! It sounds very fishy! I’d look him up on Global or in AKO.
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I just noticed you're listed as OB/GYN RN or NP or nurse midwife, I'm assuming...I missed that before...if you know where he's assigned, I'm certain you could likely ask peers within bounds of discretion or privacy who might know of him, however, once again, that'd be for you to decide, of course, you obviously must also know about such governmanetl clinical license verifications search sites, of course...I can perceive why you'd wonder, however, maybe he'd been prior and qualified due to time in svc or grade, that also occurred to me, I hope that was at least some help, ifmyoud care to chat, I'd be most interested to year more, I did find it an interesting question, certainly, many thanks....
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William Drummond
Just do a public NPI search. It will show current employment, including military providers.
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Had to get a serious waiver if he joined at his age. BS in nursing not enough for LTC. Too many factors unexplained. High level of bovine excretion suspected.
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If nobody has said it yet, you need to report him!
Impersonating an Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine officer is a serious offense that is punishable by law. If you have witnessed someone who has committed this offense, it is imperative that you contact the proper authorities immediately. In this case, the proper authorities include the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Command (CID), which should be called for someone impersonating an Army officer, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which should be called for someone impersonating an Air Force officer, or the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), which should be called for someone impersonating either a Navy or Marine officer.
Contacting CID
Go to the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Command (CID) website.
Click the "Report a Crime" link on the left toolbar.
Click the "CID Office" link in the first paragraph at the top of the page.
Look through the list and locate the closest CID office in your area.
Call the number listed to report the crime. Alternatively, you could also email your local CID office using the email address listed. This may be helpful if you have documentation supporting your report, which can be attached to the email you send.
Contacting AFOSI
Go to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) website.
Click the "Units" link on the toolbar at the top of the page.
Click the "UNCLASS Phone Directory" link on the right side of the page.
Download the PDF file.
Look through the list and locate the closest AFOSI office in your area.
Call the number listed to report the crime.
Contacting NCIS
Go to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) website.
Click the tab labeled "Report a Crime" on the left side of the screen.
Click the link "Instructions for reporting a crime to NCIS."
Click the icon that says "Text and Web Tip Hotline."
Fill out the form. Do not include your name anywhere on the form. This is an anonymous tip.
Click "Submit Tip."
Impersonating an Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine officer is a serious offense that is punishable by law. If you have witnessed someone who has committed this offense, it is imperative that you contact the proper authorities immediately. In this case, the proper authorities include the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Command (CID), which should be called for someone impersonating an Army officer, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which should be called for someone impersonating an Air Force officer, or the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), which should be called for someone impersonating either a Navy or Marine officer.
Contacting CID
Go to the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Command (CID) website.
Click the "Report a Crime" link on the left toolbar.
Click the "CID Office" link in the first paragraph at the top of the page.
Look through the list and locate the closest CID office in your area.
Call the number listed to report the crime. Alternatively, you could also email your local CID office using the email address listed. This may be helpful if you have documentation supporting your report, which can be attached to the email you send.
Contacting AFOSI
Go to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) website.
Click the "Units" link on the toolbar at the top of the page.
Click the "UNCLASS Phone Directory" link on the right side of the page.
Download the PDF file.
Look through the list and locate the closest AFOSI office in your area.
Call the number listed to report the crime.
Contacting NCIS
Go to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) website.
Click the tab labeled "Report a Crime" on the left side of the screen.
Click the link "Instructions for reporting a crime to NCIS."
Click the icon that says "Text and Web Tip Hotline."
Fill out the form. Do not include your name anywhere on the form. This is an anonymous tip.
Click "Submit Tip."
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LT (Join to see)
This is technically incorrect. It is not a crime simply to impersonate a military member. It is a crime to impersonate a military member having received certain awards or medals AND to then use that impersonation to obtain something tangible like money or benefits. The original Stolen Valor Act (which made it a crime simply to impersonate a service member having been awarded certain medals) was struck down by the Supreme Court because it violated the First Amendment protection against free speech.
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First of all, he's too old. Second, the 10st has no Reserve units. Third, he should be assigned to a Reserve medical unit. Fourth, if he was to get a direct commission, it would, at the most, be as a 1LT.
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CW3 Walter Goerner
For as long as you've served, you should have served with many officers that didn't have RA commissions while on active duty and serving in RA units while on active duty. Not all officers were commissioned regular Army, Air Force, Navy unless coming out of a military academy and even now, not all academy graduates are given regular Army, Air Force, or Navy commissions. That changed a few years ago. As, I stated before, I served with a LTC, doctor who was quite old, and was given a reserve commission as an LTC, and was serving on active duty at Aviano AB, Italy. He was commissioned as an O-5, not as an O-1,2,3,or 4. His entry rank was determined by his education, specialty, experience and qualifications. On further research, I found that some can be actually commissioned up to O-6 as an entry rank. You don't have to be assigned to a Reserve unit while on active duty as a reserve officer, in fact, do you know of any full time Reserve units on active duty?
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He may be a chairborne special operator. Those guys are badass!! #2 pencil qualified at 700m. Deadly I say very Deadly
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