Posted on May 16, 2017
Can Donald Trump be trusted to protect classified information?
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UPDATE: This is not just a Washington Post story. The basic facts have been confirmed by both Donald Trump in his tweets and McMaster - both of whom focused on the President's "personal authority" to disclose any classified information - and the fact that the classified information was "appropriately shared" with Russians. Whatever their formal opinion and defense may be - the sharing of foreign allied intelligence community material without prior clearance and coordination by both domestic and involved foreign source intelligence agencies has many in our intelligence community and congressional oversight committees - not to mention foreign allied intelligence agencies - deeply concerned about this kind of casual off the cuff sharing of intelligence material with common enemy. The implication is they may be need to carefully review and substantially redact intelligence information provided to Donald Trump - because he is a loose cannon who acts first - and relies on his staff to contact the intelligence agencies to provide a heads up after the fact - and approach the Washington Post with requests to redact classified information from their story to protect national security interests.
ORIGINAL: Donald Trump is reported by numerous organizations including our congressional intelligence committee members - to have disclosed classified information and compromised sources of classified information - to russian officials and intelligence officers - specifically provided by foreign allied intelligence community partners under conditions that the classified information would not be compromised. The white house defense is the president has the absolute authority to disclose any intelligence information he chooses and that he was unaware of the sensitivity of the information and sources of the information. How is anyone - any domestic or foreign official - going to be able trust either the president of the united states - or the united states intelligence community - to protect classified information - particularly when provided by foreign intelligence officials? The further defense is an effort by the white house to pivot to a search for the person who "leaked" the facts surrounding this disclosure to the congress, press, and public. What I find particularly interesting is the utter absence of any Republican defense for these disclosures by congressmen and intelligence officials not directly under control of the white house. Keep in mind the president's office does not have the purported authority to declassify and disclose allied intelligence partner provided information without consulting and obtaining permission from the foreign allied intelligence partner providing the information. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-russia-analysis/index.html
ORIGINAL: Donald Trump is reported by numerous organizations including our congressional intelligence committee members - to have disclosed classified information and compromised sources of classified information - to russian officials and intelligence officers - specifically provided by foreign allied intelligence community partners under conditions that the classified information would not be compromised. The white house defense is the president has the absolute authority to disclose any intelligence information he chooses and that he was unaware of the sensitivity of the information and sources of the information. How is anyone - any domestic or foreign official - going to be able trust either the president of the united states - or the united states intelligence community - to protect classified information - particularly when provided by foreign intelligence officials? The further defense is an effort by the white house to pivot to a search for the person who "leaked" the facts surrounding this disclosure to the congress, press, and public. What I find particularly interesting is the utter absence of any Republican defense for these disclosures by congressmen and intelligence officials not directly under control of the white house. Keep in mind the president's office does not have the purported authority to declassify and disclose allied intelligence partner provided information without consulting and obtaining permission from the foreign allied intelligence partner providing the information. Warmest Regards, Sandy :)
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-russia-analysis/index.html
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[I'm glad I copied this comment so that I could paste into all the other discussions that are inspired by this news. You just know it's going to be a hot topic, right?]
Once upon a time there was a little boy who sat near the village flock of sheep looking for wolves... Yes, you know the story. Well, here we have a modern version. The news media, our "little boys and girls" who serve as our LPs have been crying "Wolf!" ever since Trump was elected. Every belch, every fart, every insult, real and imagined, has inspired a hue and cry. Why should we believe this one? Sorry, I don't trust their judgment, not one whit of it. We'll just have to wait and see if there really is a story here and if it really has any significance. Oh how I wish we had a reliable journalist, even one, on the job...
Once upon a time there was a little boy who sat near the village flock of sheep looking for wolves... Yes, you know the story. Well, here we have a modern version. The news media, our "little boys and girls" who serve as our LPs have been crying "Wolf!" ever since Trump was elected. Every belch, every fart, every insult, real and imagined, has inspired a hue and cry. Why should we believe this one? Sorry, I don't trust their judgment, not one whit of it. We'll just have to wait and see if there really is a story here and if it really has any significance. Oh how I wish we had a reliable journalist, even one, on the job...
An unnamed source told me that the military is being positioned to conduct a preemptive strike on North Korea within a matter of weeks.
An unnamed source told me that there are plans to undermine the German government in order to unseat Merkel and allow a Conservative government to be seated.
An unnamed source told me that ISIS has agents in the US preparing to conduct an attack between now and November.
Do you see how that works? I can make all this crap up and everyone else can start repeating it like a parrot.
An unnamed source told me that there are plans to undermine the German government in order to unseat Merkel and allow a Conservative government to be seated.
An unnamed source told me that ISIS has agents in the US preparing to conduct an attack between now and November.
Do you see how that works? I can make all this crap up and everyone else can start repeating it like a parrot.
Sgt Kelli Mays
CPO (Join to see) - Exactly...it's not the conservatives who started all of the riots in the past 8 years....it's not the conservatives who disrupted Speeches at colleges and other places....it's not the conservatives who disrupted TRUMP events while campaigning and running for president...but it was the DEMOCRATS and LIBERALS who went to every TRUMP rally and still go to his rallies and CAUSE MAYHEM and CHAOS....start riots and fights... SFC Kelly Fuerhoff and it's the actors/singers who cause RUTKUS, MAYHEM, DISCORD etc...with their TRUMP bashes and other ridiculous stunts they poll with their HATE rallies...you do not see REPUBLICANS or CONSERVATIVES going out and doing the same....Give me a BREAK...Liberals are DESTRUCTIVE when they do not get their way.
Sgt Kelli Mays
GySgt John Olson - so far, there is NO truth to this allegation...and everyone in the room denies it. Till there is proof that TRUMP shared info...it is NOT TRUE....just another RUTKUS being cause by the liberal media to keep and continuing to STIR up trouble.
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
Sgt Kelli Mays - What riots in the past 8 years? The ones where cops were killing unarmed civilians? You do realize that many of those were started by people not affiliated with any of the towns where those incidents happened right? If you're talking about the riots since the election, again many of them started out peaceful and then you get hooligans who take advantage of an opportunity to be dicks. But while Obama was in office I don't recall anyone interrupting speeches and the only riots were in response to alleged police violence.
What the hell is "rutkus?" What actors and singers are causing mayhem? Lol seriously?
Oh I see Republicans and conservative politicians wage war on women and minorities with some of the laws they pass. I see conservatives who protest outside abortion clinics and harass the women who go in and have at times bombed them. I see conservatives and Republicans who have attacked homosexuals or transgender people for no reason other than they are different. I also see conservatives and Republicans "protesting" for their "heritage" with these Confederate memorials being taken down. Give me a break. Liberal, conservative. Republican, Democrat - there are bad people among both groups. You're all a bunch of complete morons if you follow either political party.
What the hell is "rutkus?" What actors and singers are causing mayhem? Lol seriously?
Oh I see Republicans and conservative politicians wage war on women and minorities with some of the laws they pass. I see conservatives who protest outside abortion clinics and harass the women who go in and have at times bombed them. I see conservatives and Republicans who have attacked homosexuals or transgender people for no reason other than they are different. I also see conservatives and Republicans "protesting" for their "heritage" with these Confederate memorials being taken down. Give me a break. Liberal, conservative. Republican, Democrat - there are bad people among both groups. You're all a bunch of complete morons if you follow either political party.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Wow, I could not have said it any better. It's amazing for me to read statements from former active duty leadership following either party without actually questioning it. I for one question everything regardless of party affiliation. I'll not follow blindly along as many readers here do. For the moment, I have to, due to me being in the reserves. I will obey my leadership but I do have the right to question or not follow an unlawful order. All I can do now is support my Commander in Chief, which I would do regardless of party affiliation. Don't know if that makes sense. I'm pretty sure most of you are tracking and know what I mean.
Really one organization reported this (WaPo) the rest are just repeating the story and doing the normal Trump derangement antics, expected but tiresome. You are assuming that first, information was compromised which Tillerson and McMaster are ON THE RECORD denying occurred. He WaPo's sources are unnamed, not on the record. So he us being accused in a newspaper of dubious accuracy by anonymous, unnamed sources. Yea, that is rock solid stuff/
Second, you are assuming the information supposedly shared was given to us by a third party. I am not sure that is established since none of us know what was supposedly shared.
Let's assume for a second you and the WaPo are correct. So what, he can share this information if he wants to. It is within his prerogative to declassify and share.
Second, you are assuming the information supposedly shared was given to us by a third party. I am not sure that is established since none of us know what was supposedly shared.
Let's assume for a second you and the WaPo are correct. So what, he can share this information if he wants to. It is within his prerogative to declassify and share.
Sgt Kelli Mays
GySgt John Olson - Cpl Jeff N. Yes, the president blurts out, but he's not doing the blurting here.
MCPO Roger Collins
All these classified material experts and not one seems to realize a service member is not supposed to validate or invalidate the type of trash put out by Bezo's megaphone, the WASHPO. It's all rumor and speculation until validated, then security has been breached.
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
GySgt John Olson - Gunny, I hope the hell you are better at remembering anatomy or whatever you specialize at as a Physician's Assistant than you are at OpSec. I had to look at your profile and seeing that you went to the SNCO Academy and
you were in Communication security material manager course plus Military law and UCMJ Command and staff college. You apparently cannot remember butkus about Operational Security. You never and I mean NEVER confirm or DENT anything to the Media or ANYONE about anything, and you report to the XO anyone who was asking Questions. Maybe you might have heard an old little saying from WWII, Loose Lips Sink Ships?? The way you talk, You could have sunk the entire Seventh Fleet and doomed the entire Amphibious Assault of every Japanese held island. As long as you wear the Uniform you are responsible for the people beside you and to those appointed above you. INCLUDING those in Political Office. If your Opinion violates OpSec, you keep your mouth shut! Even if you are not sure, you keep quiet anyway just in case. When I was in, I knew stories about our Commander in Chief, Jimmy Carter. I even voted for his worthless ass. I had no idea he would be Worthless as President, but I still kept Quiet. At least now, He is no longer the worst President the republic has ever had. Obama took over that position.
you were in Communication security material manager course plus Military law and UCMJ Command and staff college. You apparently cannot remember butkus about Operational Security. You never and I mean NEVER confirm or DENT anything to the Media or ANYONE about anything, and you report to the XO anyone who was asking Questions. Maybe you might have heard an old little saying from WWII, Loose Lips Sink Ships?? The way you talk, You could have sunk the entire Seventh Fleet and doomed the entire Amphibious Assault of every Japanese held island. As long as you wear the Uniform you are responsible for the people beside you and to those appointed above you. INCLUDING those in Political Office. If your Opinion violates OpSec, you keep your mouth shut! Even if you are not sure, you keep quiet anyway just in case. When I was in, I knew stories about our Commander in Chief, Jimmy Carter. I even voted for his worthless ass. I had no idea he would be Worthless as President, but I still kept Quiet. At least now, He is no longer the worst President the republic has ever had. Obama took over that position.
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